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Windows 8 thoughts & opinions: incomplete?

  1. #101


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jaebberwock View Post
    I'm just an occasional visitor but I have trouble understanding what your motivation is in defending each and every aspect of Windows 8, legitimate or not. Not just on this thread either but sprinkled throughout the forum. I wouldn't even be that defensive of a family member, let alone a 3 month old OS.

    Windows 8 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I guess that is not entirely true, it is a solution for a problem Microsoft has, not I.

    The UI is flashy and gets in the way. It wants to be notice. I don't want to notice my OS. It should be invisible so I can get what I need to done. I don't want to interact with it, play with it. I had to search for regedits to make my synaptics touchpad not trigger the charm bar if I even scrapped the left side of the pad. Either that or install a generic driver.

    No native drivers for igfx by intel, windows provided one crashes and resets. When it resets, any video that would be playing in a browser would only play audio. The fix is to close and reopen the browser.

    A November update came along. EVERYTHING slowed down for me. My SSD was relegated back to HDD speeds. Browser took a good 5 seconds to open, as did OneNote/Word/Excel. ON W7, which I am back on now? Instantaneous. Another update broke all my Metro apps. Repair function in the store did nothing to repair it. Uninstalling and reinstalling the apps did nothing to repair it. Refreshing the computer would leave the apps in tact and would do nothing to repair it.

    Search - inefficient and unreliable. 0 matches in apps, 5 matches in settings, 10 in files. Lets display apps where there are 0 apps! Makes sense! Quite frequently the search wouldn't bring up a result until I finished spelling the whole thing, completely. One letter from completion, nothing. Enter final letter, there it is. Makes no sense.

    Training consumers for ads - Minesweeper, Xbox Music, advertisements. Xbox music will match your music and serve up the censored version from their servers rather than play the one locally from your drive so they can serve you ads. Ads in minesweeper? No thanks. Give me back the low graphics ad free one. It is plain as day where MS is going with this and I do not like it one bit.

    Workflow - extremely disruptive. Changing the entire screen to open something up messes up your train of though, especially when working in number intensive programs or you are in the certain place in a long document. Much like how I forget what I was going to do when I enter a room. What did I come here to get again? Happens a lot for me, especially when I'm working on something monotonous.

    Cleaning up after install. I really don't like having icons pollute the startup screen after an install. It is unnecessary and annoying and indicates a lack of polish.

    2 different browsers. How is this a good idea? 2 different browsers, each with their own history, extensions, bookmarks, etc. Why deal with this added complexity? I ended up forcing Chrome to disable the Metro browser because I did not want every link I clicked in anything remotely connected to metro popping up that browser. That worked well for a while until I went into Metro mode for whatever reason and got permanently stuck in Metro mode. I'm not blameless in that one because maybe my regedit had something to do with it.

    No clock. Seems small but it was annoying not having a clock viewable at all times. Full screen mode=no taskbar=no clock. I tried to compromise with an app called the Time but that thing leaked memory like crazy, upwards of 1GB in ram by a clock used up.

    The mousing around. OMG, the mousing around. All this dragging and sliding and flinging. I'm not here to play around. If my workflow requires mostly mouse inputs, then I won't have my hands on the keyboard. Shortcuts are inefficient so I have to click and drag, click and drag. Hit a hot corner and carefully go down so it doesn't lose focus. Everything requires further mouse travel. Right click is inconsistent, always a surprise. Back button on mouse is inconsistent. Sometimes it goes back, sometimes it doesn't.

    Metro App startup times. I thought these things were lightweight but some of them take 4-5 seconds to startup. I thought they were going for Android startup speeds, near instantaneous.

    I could go on. It makes me angry that a lot of people are dismissive of other users concerns. Oh, they are just parroting what some tech blog said. I assure you I am not. I am frustrated because I have wasted hours and hours of my life trying to get the OS to do what I want it to do.

    The speed slowdown plus my browser being stuck was the last straw and I uninstalled W8. I like W7. W8 is like a service pack with some great improvements but a lot of added, unremovable baggage. I loved the pastel coloring and the flatness of W8, I found it a lot more attractive and clean than W7. I loved the explorer ribbon interface which made everything more efficient to get to. I loved the file management system and how I could pause and start each transfer individually.

    In short, I would have had no problem upgrading for $100+ to Windows 8 minus metro rather than this $40 waste of hours of my life. Maybe these issues will be resolved in the future, maybe they won't. Bottom line is I found the experience unpleasant. That is not something that is arguable or up for discussion. "My" experience. I reckon there are some more out there like me. I'm surprised at how vocal I am about this but I really don't want Windows to continuing going in the direction it appears to be going. I will not buy a Mac and unless Ubuntu gets future office versions, I am stuck.
    This blog may help you contend with Window8 shortcomings.

    6 tips to make Windows 8 less annoying | Computerworld Blogs
    Yeah, I was about to say, we have plenty people here to help out with optimizing the UI for you! None of which involves classic shell or anything like that, just some simple pinning and organizing.

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  2. #102


    Coke Robot, Well, I thought about that, but the Nokia Lumia 920 interfaces really well with Win7, too! I love Win8 Phone because it's perfect for a touchscreen, at least the way it's implemented on the phone. But as an OS for a mouse/keyboard... I'm still not sure. I loved the file transfer interface and if someone made one like it for Windows 7, I'd probably stay on 7 as long as I possibly could...
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  3. #103


    Posts : 59
    MS Windows 8 Pro 64-bit


    Microsoft can resolve this debate,and could have prevented it. As I have said, as well as many others have,let the user choose
    what he wants during the installation process. there have been many valid points on both side of this debate, I hope
    Microsoft is paying attention and corrects the problems in future updates.
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  4. #104


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by azasadny View Post
    Coke Robot, Well, I thought about that, but the Nokia Lumia 920 interfaces really well with Win7, too! I love Win8 Phone because it's perfect for a touchscreen, at least the way it's implemented on the phone. But as an OS for a mouse/keyboard... I'm still not sure. I loved the file transfer interface and if someone made one like it for Windows 7, I'd probably stay on 7 as long as I possibly could...
    It does, but it looks beautiful to see a Windows Phone's Start Screen alongside a Windows 8 Start Screen, like they were meant to be.

    Theoretically, a mouse with touch gestures or a touchpad can make Windows 8 nicer to use. Been using it for a while with the Touch Mouse from Microsoft, it's splendid. Point and click, swipe, click, repeat. I find the UI is just fine for mouse usage. We have some nice people here on Eight Forums that can help you make the most of your Start Screen!
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  5. #105


    I think there's a simple solution for all those whom dislike 8 for what it is and designed for -> Stick with anything prior that floats your boat. I see no need to waste your time and money on something you dislike. I think MS is on a course that's not changing. They have a plan and will stick to that plan.

    It is what it is. Complain all you want, but I think they won't hear you on these forums. I suggest to write them a letter or email. Write them often. Join one of their communities to complain. Perhaps some of you have or do that very thing.

    One other thing -> If you bought a copy and installed it to use for even just a day, you voted a big yes for 8. That's the score they keep -> Copies sold.
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  6. #106


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    They have a plan and will stick to that plan.
    The best laid plans of mice and men.

    Or do they have a cunning plan?
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  7. #107


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I think there's a simple solution for all those whom dislike 8 for what it is and designed for -> Stick with anything prior that floats your boat. I see no need to waste your time and money on something you dislike. I think MS is on a course that's not changing. They have a plan and will stick to that plan.

    It is what it is. Complain all you want, but I think they won't hear you on these forums. I suggest to write them a letter or email. Write them often. Join one of their communities to complain. Perhaps some of you have or do that very thing.

    One other thing -> If you bought a copy and installed it to use for even just a day, you voted a big yes for 8. That's the score they keep -> Copies sold.
    I whole heartedly agree with everything you've said.
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  8. #108


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I think there's a simple solution for all those whom dislike 8 for what it is and designed for -> Stick with anything prior that floats your boat. I see no need to waste your time and money on something you dislike. I think MS is on a course that's not changing. They have a plan and will stick to that plan.

    It is what it is. Complain all you want, but I think they won't hear you on these forums. I suggest to write them a letter or email. Write them often. Join one of their communities to complain. Perhaps some of you have or do that very thing.

    One other thing -> If you bought a copy and installed it to use for even just a day, you voted a big yes for 8. That's the score they keep -> Copies sold.
    M$ may not see thees forums but there customers do. I have also told most of my friends that were planing to down grade to windows 8 to stick with Windows 7 and that is the only thing that M$ understands is $$$$. So my one big vote has cost M$ more than 30 big votes.
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  9. #109


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    They have a plan and will stick to that plan.
    The best laid plans of mice and men.

    Or do they have a cunning plan?
    Looks as though they have you, Ray. You voted yes as well.

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  10. #110


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Looks as though they have you, Ray. You voted yes as well.

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    Windows 7 x32/x64
    Windows 8 x64
    Linux Mint
    I've always admitted that I bought x2 copies, future proofing when I could get it for $15. Nor do I dislike Windows 8, but I'm waiting for it to improve and become the OS it should have been from the outset. That gives me the right to praise and criticise to my heart's content.
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