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  1. #1


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    Re-visit: New Frustrations.


    Well, I thought I would jump on board again yesterday, as my wife's computer downstairs had a hard drive crash 2 days ago and needed to be reloaded. I went ahead and loaded Windows 8 on her machine, as after all, her machine is primarily for entertainment.. ie watching movies, music, games, facebook, etc.. We don't do a ton of multi-tasking on her machine. It is our play computer. So I loaded it up, and was looking forward to being wow'd. Here is what I am facing. I am hoping these problems are just my own ignorance, and are easily solve-able.

    1) Our Netflix account is based on my email, but I tried to base the downstairs computer off of my wife's email. Unfortunately, Microsoft will not even let me install the netfix app on my wife's computer, as her email is not associated with it. That's it. No option for me to use my email and load the app on my wife's computer. So eventually, I tried changing her to an offline account, and using my email as a microsoft account, just so I could get get the netflix app loaded. This worked, but it really caused a host of other problems, like now the mail app is all associated with me, etc. What a stupid mess.

    2) After getting netflix app installed, my wife and I settled in last night to watch a Grey's Anatomy. Unfortunately, try as I might, I could not get the app to move over and display on our large 60 inch screen rather, than on our 22 inch pc monitor. I tried making the 60 inch the primary monitor under screen resolution settings. This did not even work. I am going to assume this is something simple, but I will simply say this. I make my living supporting computers for a very large international corporation, and I could not figure this out... I am not sure where this will leave the avg user.

    3) So let me get this straight, unless I am willing to sign up for a Microsoft account and give the company access to all of my online life, I really can't do much of anything different in Windows 8 aside from the occasional bang my head against the wall in frustration? Is this true?? I also find it highly odd, that after just using my email as the microsoft account, but using a brand new passwd, I was able to log into Netflix no problem and was never even prompted for my actual password. This gives the impression that Windows 8 has some sort of security pass to other online networks. Anyone else see a potential problem with this. I am really not interested in broadcasting my life into the public cloud, just to get access to my netflix.

    We wound up logging into Netflix via Firefox, and I fell asleep thinking about when I would next have the time to load 7 back on the machine...

    Any help appreciated!!

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  2. #2


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    Also.. why can't I just close an app by pressing x in the upper right corner any more. If they felt like it was UN-sightly, the hide it unless I move the mouse there, but I should not have to grab the top of the screen and drag down to the bottom, every time I want to close one of these new applications. This is an insult to all mouse users.
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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    IMO, life is too short to get all wrapped up in cloud conspiracy paranoia.
    Last edited by mdmd; 27 Oct 2012 at 15:02. Reason: always editing
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    There is a thing called the Charms, or system commands bar on the right side. You should be able to get into the settings and hit something like Account or something similar to get into your wife's Netflix account. This should work regardless of local or Microsoft account.

    Also, from the Charms, Devices. If you have an external monitor connected and recognized by Windows, you should be able to connect to that monitor.

    Windows 8 has some wow to it, it's figuring out the wow that will lead to the effect.
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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    You can't win them all.
    Last edited by mdmd; 27 Oct 2012 at 14:52. Reason: I don't know everything
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  6. #6


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    1) Our Netflix account is based on my email, but I tried to base the downstairs computer off of my wife's email. Unfortunately, Microsoft will not even let me install the netfix app on my wife's computer, as her email is not associated with it. That's it. No option for me to use my email and load the app on my wife's computer. So eventually, I tried changing her to an offline account, and using my email as a microsoft account, just so I could get get the netflix app loaded. This worked, but it really caused a host of other problems, like now the mail app is all associated with me, etc. What a stupid mess.
    There is no tie in between your Netflix account and the Microsoft store, you should be able to download any app available, whether you can actually use the App with the Netflix service will depend on what valid account you have for it. I downloaded the Netflix App on my work computer that is tied to a hotmail account and downloaded it without issue, the same on my wifes profile for my home laptop, again downloaded without issue. For both downloads after launching the App I was asked to authenticate with my Netflix account. (My Netflix App only started working yesterday, it would just sit there with spinning ping pong balls prior to that but that's another story). You don't need to change the local profile if you want to use a different account in the Store. Just go to Settings for the store where you have an option to use a different account, log in with your account then you can download and even purchase based on your account info. When you're done go back into settings and click to switch back to your wifes account.

    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    2) After getting netflix app installed, my wife and I settled in last night to watch a Grey's Anatomy. Unfortunately, try as I might, I could not get the app to move over and display on our large 60 inch screen rather, than on our 22 inch pc monitor. I tried making the 60 inch the primary monitor under screen resolution settings. This did not even work. I am going to assume this is something simple, but I will simply say this. I make my living supporting computers for a very large international corporation, and I could not figure this out... I am not sure where this will leave the avg user.
    The way to move the Metro App to another screen is basically the same way to close it, grab it from the top like you were going to close the App and drag it to the other screen. This will however move the Start Screen and all Metro along with it, you will need to grab the App and bring it back if you want to switch. And no, you can't grab the Start Screen to drag.

    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    3) So let me get this straight, unless I am willing to sign up for a Microsoft account and give the company access to all of my online life, I really can't do much of anything different in Windows 8 aside from the occasional bang my head against the wall in frustration? Is this true?? I also find it highly odd, that after just using my email as the microsoft account, but using a brand new passwd, I was able to log into Netflix no problem and was never even prompted for my actual password. This gives the impression that Windows 8 has some sort of security pass to other online networks. Anyone else see a potential problem with this. I am really not interested in broadcasting my life into the public cloud, just to get access to my netflix.
    The use of a Microsoft account with Windows 8 is to simplify authentication and SSO (Single Sign On) to various services that you use. It also provides a method to save profile settings to the cloud so that when you log into other W8 devices with the same account you have instant access to your email, skydrive etc without having to set anything up. If you don't want this type of setup you can still minimize what your account is used for by going to "Change PC Settings" in Metro (link is in the Charms-> Settings at the bottom) then select "Sync Your Settings". The only way I can see your Netflix App automatically authenticating you is if you used the same user id and password as your Microsoft account, I believe Windows 8 attempts access with the current account first and if it fails requests authentication. I have not been logged into ANY App automatically that requires authentication other than the Microsoft specific Apps that do use the same account.
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  7. #7


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    You must own the Netflix account on that computer to use the app. It's copy protection.
    Otherwise, You could give your email to a 100 people or a 1000 all using your email address.
    Not true, I have the Netflix App installed on my phone, wifes phone, work computer, personal computer, Xbox and Boxee Box, most have different accounts (except Xbox and my phone) and all connect to the service with my one account. I also tested Netflix for the first time using my friends account before I got my own. The limitation is that Netflix only allows a certain number of devices per account which is managed through your account settings. Also, I believe only one stream can happen per account anyways, so if I'm watching a movie on Xbox my wife can't watch a different movie on Boxee Box at the same time. Although I never tested it...hmmm.
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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    ok.
    Last edited by mdmd; 30 Oct 2012 at 10:59. Reason: always editing
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  9. #9


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    Our Netflix account is based on my email, but I tried to base the downstairs computer off of my wife's email. Unfortunately, Microsoft will not even let me install the netfix app on my wife's computer, as her email is not associated with it.
    That's simply not the case. You can install any app if you have a Windows Store account. There is no checking at the time of install whether or not you have a Netflix account or not. Obviously, something else is happening here.

    I am in the opposite situation. My wife has the Netflix account, and I had no trouble downloading the app and entering her credentials to log into the Netflix service with her account.

    Did it give you an error message? What makes you think this was the reason? You seem to be jumping to conclusions, and rushing to pass judgment on something that is clearly not accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    try as I might, I could not get the app to move over and display on our large 60 inch screen rather
    I'm assuming you have the monitor connected to the PC, and that the monitor shows up as a second desktop screen. If so, then there are several ways to do this. First, you can grab the top, just like you were going to close it and drag it over onto the other screen. Second, you can use WindowsKey-PageUp/PageDn to move metro to a different screen. You can also use WindowsKey-P in Metro to "Project" to a second screen.

    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    So let me get this straight, unless I am willing to sign up for a Microsoft account and give the company access to all of my online life, I really can't do much of anything different in Windows 8 aside from the occasional bang my head against the wall in frustration? Is this true??
    No, this is not true. You are jumping to conclusions, and wrong ones at that. You don't have to use a Microsoft account with Windows 8, and in most company situations (since you mentioned company) it would be joined to a domain. Logging in with a Microsoft account is only there to make things easier. Normally, people would log in with different credentials, rather than try to share multiple people on a single account.

    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    I also find it highly odd, that after just using my email as the microsoft account, but using a brand new passwd, I was able to log into Netflix no problem and was never even prompted for my actual password. This gives the impression that Windows 8 has some sort of security pass to other online networks. Anyone else see a potential problem with this. I am really not interested in broadcasting my life into the public cloud, just to get access to my Netflix.
    I can assure you, Netflix asks for your account, even if you're signed into Windows with the same account as your Netflix. There is no sharing like that, unless you've already signed in. Could it be that you had already signed into Netflix, and forgot?
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  10. #10


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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    I am now using an offline account with my wife's name associated with it, and am using my gmail address in order to install the netflix account. Try as I might, there is no way to get the videos to display on the other monitor. I did find a way to drag down from top until the window shrinks, then drag over to the other monitor, but rather than fill that screen, it expands to fill it plus the left half of my original screen. I cannot figure a way around that. Anyways, I gave up on that. I am just watching movies from the browser for now.

    I found the xbox movie app to be the same. I could not get it to go over to the other screen. Under devices, I can see that my screen is extended to the other screen, but no way to choose which monitor will display the app.

    I am holding out for a while, to see if the experience gets better over time. There are some nice things about this OS, but it still feels like it is not fully grown up yet. I imagine that there will be some better apps as time wears on that might justify the 40 dollar upgrade, but they really need to improve some of the basic stuff.
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