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Valve hates Win 8 - Ready to make Steam games work on Linux instead

  1. #11


    Mumbai , Bangalore
    Posts : 37
    Windows 7 64 bit & Windows 8


    In a free market where people do not pirate or pirating has less of an effect developers would produce games all day long for the pc.

    PC gaming needs to become standardized with software and hardware for us to not become lost in the perfect storm that pc gaming has become.
    Its clear that we have witnessed a steady decline of quality titles on the pc. The market seems fixated on content control with Steam positioned extremely well on a pc, like it matters.Linux can operate at hardware reaction speeds that are 1/10th that of Windows. Network lag is commonly 20-30% lower on Linux. FPS is commonly 10-18% better on Linux at least w/ nVidia cards, I don't know about ATi .
    The only point I was attempting to make is that from a gaming perspective good support from the developer community is a pipe dream especially on Linux. If Windows isn't worth considering Linux will be that much worse without a dedicated and skillful mod community that the developers are distancing themselves from for financial gain.
    I am all for PC gaming, Linux included.


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  2. #12


    Hannover, Germany
    Posts : 37
    Windows 8 Pro x64 RTM Build 9200


    I think Steam (and lots of other people really) underestimate their customers, their market, and what WE believe that market should be... they say they are trying to preserve the PC platform when they themselves don't understand it (as evidenced by the multitude of horror stories from modders, indie devs and others)

    The community or market (whichever term you use) changes and evolves around what is available to them... since Windows 8 doesn't take anything away that was existing, it only adds another avenue to purchase and design games, then it really can only open possibilities not close them.
    Personally I think Steam should have been available on Linux a LONG time ago, but not because the PC "platform" is breaking, just because its a PART of that "platform"

    On an interesting side note, I love that the industry response to piracy is "add achievements that require using our service" rather than the much more proven method of "don't charge exorbitant bullshit prices for things"
    Given the choice between pirating a game, and paying $20 for a version that you can always patch and use online, most people would pay the $20 just for the convenience. When that amount is between $60-100 the hassle factor is more appealing.
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  3. #13


    Denmark
    Posts : 224
    Windows 8.1 64bit Pro


    Well, as long as allmost every game is depending on directX, how should it transform to Linux?
    I am one of the guys that uses Windows just because of directX, I would love to be "forced" to change to Linux (I have never tried Linux) by Valve, but what about all the games and DirectX?
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  4. #14


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    I would love to be "forced" to change to Linux (I have never tried Linux) by Valve
    Ok. I am really trying to understand this statement, but it truly boggles me.
    You would love to be forced to an OS you have never used by a game company? Really?
    Please, seriously take several moments to think about that statement and then tell us what is, undoubtedly, the most insane, ridiculous notion about it.

    thank you.
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  5. #15


    Denmark
    Posts : 224
    Windows 8.1 64bit Pro


    #14 Easy, Linux is free, windows is not, Linux does not have directX which is the ONLY reason my gamerPC has Windows on it. On my laptop (for surf, emails, homebanking, aso) I will still use windows 7.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    So even though gamers can figure out where to go in a complex game, a new Windows OS can't be figured out?

    Valve gives crap about Windows 8 and they're going to Linux, but they fail to see logic in that. Every Windows gamer uses and know how to use Windows. Now they'd be forced into learning Linux, a totally different beast.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Why do you think he (and plenty of others ) are coming out against win8?

    That is a lot of work for him and some risk, too. He is not doing it on a whim. He is not stupid.

    The problem is win8 signals a big step by MS to take away choice and control form others - including the end user.

    It is not about the lack of start menu, or the little squares - it is about MS moving in a very unwelcome direction.

    I am disappointed so many forum regulars do not see what is going on.

    I am sorry to to say, I hope win8 bombs - because if it does ok , that will encourage MS to keep going down this very nasty path and leading the unsuspecting users somewhere they will regret in the future.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    SIW2, I respect your opinion, and if you are correct, trust me, MS will lose.
    Ubuntu is not all that bad, and if we find that we are locked down and out as you say of Windows. Linux will go full on Main Stream. Trust me on that.
    I will lead that charge if need be. So will many others.

    If Desktop goes away or becomes a full on premium to get it and then you can't do much with it, trust me, the tides for Linux will change, and if Steam does well with Deving for Linux, you will see that happen extreme;y quickly, especially since ubuntu Linux is free (along with 150+ other flavors).
    The biggest problem that Linux has, is the community, that is it's largest and most formidable weakness.

    But that can and will most likely change.
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  9. #19


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Tell that to the casual Steam gamer on Windows. Instead of learning a few new things of a new UI, you'd be telling them, "Nope, go to a totally foreign operating system you've probably never heard of with program support that doesn't exist without difficulty all just to play a few games."

    Yep, sound logic right there.
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  10. #20


    Posts : 1,127
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    You have to understand that Gabe Newell, Valve's CEO, has a vested interest against Windows 8. The Windows store directly competes with Steam. If publisher's decide to release their software via the Windows store and not through Steam, that's a loss of the 30% cut that Steam gets.

    But for the end user, does it really matter who gets the 30% cut? Valve, Microsoft, Apple, Google are all fighting for that 30% cut. They don't care about us. All we should care about is whether or not we want to buy so-and-so app, in so-and-so marketplace. Let the rich people fight over who gets 30%. They don't actually care about us. They're in it to make a living and make a profit so that their employees have a job and get rich.

    Of course, all current and future games will work in Windows 8. It's still Windows. The only difference is whether or not the game publisher wants to sell through Windows store or Steam or any other marketplace. Remember, EA/Origin is pushing their marketplace because they don't want to give anybody a cut. Same for Ubisoft. Why would EA want to sell their title through Steam and have to share the revenue? The reason they have to is Steam has the most visible marketplace on the PC. But if Microsoft's store is front and center, then both Microsoft and Valve now have to fight to get EA to sell through their store.

    The Windows store is easy to use. You just click on the tile and then select install. Easy like Google Play and the iOS store. To say that the casual gamer will get lost is saying that everyone is stupid.
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