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Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry Enterprise suited for games?

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    Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry Enterprise suited for games?


    So stay with me here guys, I know this is kind of a weird question.

    So yesterday at work I came across a PC that was running this OS (Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry Enterprise) and upon further inspection (services.msc, gpedit.msc, dxdiag, etc), it seemed to me like this OS is actually the same (to the naked eye) as Windows 8.1 Pro but without much of the fluff that comes with 8.1 Pro (Modern UI apps, etc).

    So my question is:

    Would this OS be suited for gaming? Would it have problems running DirectX 11.1 and Mantle games?

    Thanks!.

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    This OS is not a retail product. Embedded operating systems are sold by OEMs for special purposes. This is an Enterprise edition available only to large organizations with volume licensing. Using this OS for home gaming would likely be a violation of the license terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackerITGuy View Post
    So my question is:

    Would this OS be suited for gaming? Would it have problems running DirectX 11.1 and Mantle games?

    Thanks!.
    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    This OS is not a retail product. Embedded operating systems are sold by OEMs for special purposes. This is an Enterprise edition available only to large organizations with volume licensing. Using this OS for home gaming would likely be a violation of the license terms.
    Aside from that legalize, yes, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to run games. At it's core it's still Windows 8/8.1, and should still have DX11.1 capabilities. As to the legality of the OS, that's between you, your company, and Microsoft.

    Peace
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    If you were a games developer who wanted to produce a line of arcade machines running your games, which happened to run under Windows, a Windows Embedded platform would be an ideal gaming machine for you. You'd make money, Microsoft would make money...

    If you wanted to explore the possibility, there are trial versions of Windows Embedded for Windows 7, 8.x available to download from MS. The Windows Embedded Standard 7 SP1 trial is a little more generous in terms of time before your OS times out than the Windows 8 Embedded.

    The core engine is the same for regular and Embedded Windows versions, but the difficulty with some graphics drivers is that their .msi installer may not recognize the embedded version as being a valid Windows OS. In these cases, it may be necessary to unpack the installer and manually install the .inf and .sys files and register any .dlls, or use DISM to force the installation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    This OS is not a retail product. Embedded operating systems are sold by OEMs for special purposes. This is an Enterprise edition available only to large organizations with volume licensing. Using this OS for home gaming would likely be a violation of the license terms.
    I actually didn't know that, thank you so much (:

    Do you by any chance have a source/link/anything where I could read up on that?

    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlackerITGuy View Post
    So my question is:

    Would this OS be suited for gaming? Would it have problems running DirectX 11.1 and Mantle games?

    Thanks!.
    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    This OS is not a retail product. Embedded operating systems are sold by OEMs for special purposes. This is an Enterprise edition available only to large organizations with volume licensing. Using this OS for home gaming would likely be a violation of the license terms.
    Aside from that legalize, yes, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to run games. At it's core it's still Windows 8/8.1, and should still have DX11.1 capabilities. As to the legality of the OS, that's between you, your company, and Microsoft.

    Peace
    Awesome.

    I was actually hearing otherwise on another forum. People saying that Windows 8.1 Embedded didn't have the "subsystems" (I don't know) to run games.

    Thanks!.

    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    If you were a games developer who wanted to produce a line of arcade machines running your games, which happened to run under Windows, a Windows Embedded platform would be an ideal gaming machine for you. You'd make money, Microsoft would make money...

    If you wanted to explore the possibility, there are trial versions of Windows Embedded for Windows 7, 8.x available to download from MS. The Windows Embedded Standard 7 SP1 trial is a little more generous in terms of time before your OS times out than the Windows 8 Embedded.

    The core engine is the same for regular and Embedded Windows versions, but the difficulty with some graphics drivers is that their .msi installer may not recognize the embedded version as being a valid Windows OS. In these cases, it may be necessary to unpack the installer and manually install the .inf and .sys files and register any .dlls, or use DISM to force the installation.
    Thanks for replying mate.

    And you know what? I'm actually gonna email AMD about this ASAP, they've been pretty good to me so far (answering all of my questions via email).

    Rep to all 3.

    Awesome.
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    Reading fafhrd's post has got me thinking now as he brings up some stuff I hadn't considered...

    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    The core engine is the same for regular and Embedded Windows versions, but the difficulty with some graphics drivers is that their .msi installer may not recognize the embedded version as being a valid Windows OS. In these cases, it may be necessary to unpack the installer and manually install the .inf and .sys files and register any .dlls, or use DISM to force the installation.
    Still, I'm of the opinion that it's still possible to game on the OS since, as I said, at its core, it's still Win 8... However you do have to consider fafhrd's point.

    Anyway thanks for the rep
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    Yea, thanks for the rep.

    There's a fair bit of information out there on WES2009, WES7, and WE8x, on MSDN, Technet and specialist sites.
    MDL has a dedicated Embedded subforum.
    I can point to this specific help for AMD graphics: AMD® WES7 Support Packages, and the site is all about Embedded Windows Training, manuals etc.
    Quixant (hardware) says it has full driver support for Windows Embedded and Linux: QX-50: high performance 4K ultra HD gaming platform | Quixant so there must be other Embedded Gamers out there.

    AMD have something to say on Embedded Gaming too:
    http://www.amd.com/Documents/Digital...ationBrief.pdf

    Microsoft resources:
    Technical Resources | Windows Embedded
    Get support for Windows Embedded Standard 7
    Windows Embedded Product Downloads | Microsoft

    and a case study:
    Microsoft Case Study: Windows Embedded Standard 7 - AMI Entertainment Network Inc.

    There should be plenty there to get you started. A free Microsoft Live Account is useful to sign into many of the MS free trial pages.

    It is also a great feeling to create your very own OS, that nobody else has, or to boot straight into your application without having to go through the usual Windows start screens!
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    Lots of great information, thanks guys (looking at those links as I type this fafhdr).

    I'm definitely gonna ask for a key at work (maybe they say no? I don't know), I'm somewhat of a stickler for slim/fat free Windows SKUs, and this seems like a great option.

    If something goes wrong, hey, at least I tried (:
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