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Windows 8 and Red Alert 2 Yuri

  1. #11


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    The ddraw.dll is not required guys, it's been unstable on some configurations.

    As I said, you can try npatch.
    There are 2 versions a normal official one and one with No-CD but I'm not gonna discuss about this.
    The point is that npatch provides a newer game executable and works here on my config.

    32 or 64bit doesn't matter for this game, but there is a 64bit patch that exists but I'm not sure it's doing anything.
    I don't use that with npatch because it doesn't work.

    Quote Originally Posted by manwithdog View Post
    Incidentally, I tried running the game in Virtualbox etc on Windows 8 (out of pure desperation), and it still wouldn't work.
    This one requires specific settings, but I can assure you I got it working.
    The VirtualBox install is even faster than on Win7 (when making random maps is almost instant)

    XP (SP3) machine with guest additions:
    1 CPU (only) recommended
    256mb RAM
    graphics 24mb, no graphic acceleration

    This is important: no 3d, no 2d and 1CPU

    You can choose to disable full-screen toolbar (optional) as well:
    Click image for larger version

    If you have VT-x on processor then you'll get better performance (is default set to ON in the acceleration tab if available).

    NOTE:
    To get full-screen: go to full-screen mode, use the resolution in XP the same you have on Win8 (host).
    In the INI file: add the same resolution too.
    In a VM, the game menu's are small in 800x600 as usual + there is no screen stretching. Don't panic: when the match starts you get your HD res from INI.

    I currently use VMware Player (for practical reasons) where other settings apply, but as always 3D acceleration is NOT required for this game.

    I'm sorry it doesn't work well on Win8 there.

    If you need a quick VM tutorial about this we can post it in the Virtulaisation section.

    If you have any other questions, about VM's or config's, feel free to ask them.
    Last edited by Hopachi; 26 Dec 2012 at 17:11.

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  2. #12


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Have you guys tried Ares?
    Ares - A Yuri's Revenge Expansion DLL

    This should be the most compatible "patch" available. Replaces ddraw and npatch.

    See readme file they provide in download.

    I'm gonna post my results for this one on Win8 after I test it.
    Last edited by Hopachi; 26 Dec 2012 at 17:30.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 13
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Centre


    Okay. Followed everything you have posted and this is what I've ended up with...

    I have re-installed XP in Virtualbox with the settings you suggested. i.e. Size, no Acceleration etc.etc.

    Installed my original copies of Red Alert 2 + Yuri. Updated Yuri to 1.001. Then applied Npatch.

    As things stand, I can run the game pretty much perfectly if I stick to 1024 x 768 as per what the game originally offered. But if I go into the ini file and alter the setting to a higher res (for me I need 1920 x 1080) then it plays up big time!

    The problem with a lower res, apart from the obvious too small issue, is that when you move the mouse cursor to the sides to scroll the map you leave the game's 'box' (if you know what I mean), which means I end up having to use the cursor keys to scroll. Not the best thing to do when trying to play.

    So the clue to getting this to work is in the screen size/res.

    I did try a res between 1024 x 768 and my 1920 x 1080, and the game almost wanted to play properly, but it struggled with speed and the sound stuttered.

    Thanks for all your help with this. It is very much appreciated.
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  4. #14


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    I understand perfectly. All those issues happened here.
    But that's good news if it worked!

    Installed my original copies of Red Alert 2 + Yuri. Updated Yuri to 1.001. Then applied Npatch.
    Good! 1.001 is the way to go.

    The problem with a lower res, apart from the obvious too small issue, is that when you move the mouse cursor to the sides to scroll the map you leave the game's 'box' (if you know what I mean), which means I end up having to use the cursor keys to scroll
    The box and stuttering are annoying to me as well. We'll fix this for the most part. But: have you ever tried right-click drag to move around the map? Yuri's Revenge allows that!
    This way you won't be needing to go to the screen border all the time.

    When you get to the edges it will begin stuttering on sound but I installed the latest additions and it was mostly fixed. It can still happen once in a while, but as long as it's not too frequent I like it + I use right click drag and it's way faster. Then it dissapeared completely after applying full screen with no box (see below).

    So the clue to getting this to work is in the screen size/res.
    1920x1080 is very high. I don't have such monitor here yet.
    For me 1366x768 is the maximum and I use this.

    However for you in order to get rid of the "box" there are a few possibilities:

    Option one: remain on 1080p if it's not slowing down:
    -give the machine more graphic memory try 32mb or better 48mb because 1920x1080 may require this (to counter the slowdowns you encounter)
    You use 1920x1080 in the INI, OK and the host (Win7 or Win8 you use) main resolution should be the same.

    Option two: choose a lower resolution that's decent enough but doesn't slow down:
    -then 24mb up to 32mb graphics will be enough
    -You use that in the INI (for instance 1366x768 if supported, to keep your HD ratio), BUT then the same resolution has to be applied on your host as well before you start up the fullscreen on XP machine.
    Click image for larger version
    This is only during play. But I hope the HD resolution will work for you.

    That's it!
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  5. #15


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Have you guys tried Ares?
    Ares - A Yuri's Revenge Expansion DLL

    This should be the most compatible "patch" available. Replaces ddraw and npatch.

    See readme file they provide in download.

    I'm gonna post my results for this one on Win8 after I test it.
    Here is the test. If you got it working in VirtualBox or you use Win7, doesn't matter this is just a promised test.
    And it works!

    Test: Making Yuri's Revenge work on Windows 8.

    About Ares expansion: I provided their site in previous post above.
    Ares is the lates enhancement to this (old) game but works just as Npatch for us because we are normal users and no modders, I assume.
    It fixes dual core and modern CPU slowdowns and expands the game engine capabilities.
    Npatch does this as well. The game also starts without any extra patch as we will see below, but Npatch or Ares is definitely recommended for Yuri' Revenge on a newer OS as Win8 and multicore CPU's.


    The test environment: Win8 x64 RTM on VMware Player 5.0.1
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    This is my host Win8 pc (Blue for now) and all the Orange edge screenshots that follow are on the testing virtual machine in Player.


    If you try this test also: Limiting the Max resolution to you own maximum ,as seen in screenshot above, should increase performance in game.

    On a host pc the game should start with the same compatibility settings.
    I'm doing it here for testing the Ares expansion.


    First of all, a test without any patch just with the game v.1001 to set compatibility right.
    It won't start.... first step: compatibility troubleshooter (right click on launcher)
    Click image for larger version


    The settings that work very well here are XP SP3 and 16bit color mode.
    Click image for larger version


    Both executables need the settings as seen in screenshot above.


    Then we launch the game (ra2md) from shortcut (first time as admin should be applied by the XP compatibility)
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    A test (1366x768 in INI file)
    Click image for larger version
    It runs smoothly.

    Now let's apply Ares.
    As Npatch, you get the same extra options when making random maps.

    There is a readme file and after putting all files to game folder we need to run the BAT (batch) file.
    It doesn't work... (Works in XP just to confirm it, but not on Win7/8) not even as admin. By looking into it (edit) we see that it uses Syringe.exe to add the ares.dll to the main launcher and so I make a shortcut to desktop to replace the BAT:
    Click image for larger version

    The extra parameters ("gamemd.exe" %*) are required:
    Click image for larger version

    And using this the game launches:
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    See version down in right corner.

    A proof that it works, new settings on random maps:
    Click image for larger version

    Then we do a test (start) in game:
    Click image for larger version
    Still works smoothly; the crate in upper left gave me money by the way.

    This is it for the (succesful) test.
    Npatch or Ares: both pretty good, depends on game or mod and if the Syringe is flagged by antivirus or not (it should not be the case but some AV may report it due to what it's doing: dll injection to add features and fixes to the game). I scanned it with Defender and all is OK.

    You might get it working in VirtualBox as seen in previus post, works in VMware Player as well and it you get the right settings and convince the Troubleshooter (see up) then it will work on Win8 natively because it was confirmed here. Compared to Win7, here on 8 we'll need to be more strict with the settings and the main executable needs 16bit color mode for in-game resolution.

    For now, I use the game in VirtualBox and in VMware Player (on Win8 of course) because a virtual XP provides the best in-game performance in my opinion. And you don't need to tweak so much:
    1CPU virtual machine with no 3D acceleration handles the game well enough.

    As shown above, Win8 can handle it as well, after some settings tweaking (just make sure you choose the right options).
    The choice is up to you.

    Ok, this post is long enough, especially the images.

    Cheers
    Hopachi
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  6. #16


    Posts : 13
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Centre


    Hopachi. Thanks for all your help with this. I wish I could of come back with something positive from it all as you have been a star mate! Unfortunately having gone through all this, plus out of pure desperation I have even installed VMPlayer too, nothing really works perfectly. Got close(ish).

    So what I might do is have a dual boot of Windows 7 and 8. Maybe put all my games on Windows 7, or at the very least, use Windows 7 JUST for Yuri. lol. I know, sad isn't it going to all that trouble just for one game? Still addicted to it though after all these years! But anyway. At least by doing a dual boot, I know I can have my favourite game running perfectly on 1920 x 1080. Until 'maybe' such time as Microsoft might have some sort of update that 'may' help with playing these older games on Windows 8. I was really going to just stick with Windows 7, but I have the option at the moment to get Windows 8 for a really low price and I think it would be silly to not take that offer.

    Thanks for everything mate. Nice one.
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  7. #17


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    You're welcome.

    One way or another, you can still play it, doesn't matter which OS.

    VMware Player, long story short: working Yuri with best results under a Windows ME machine.
    A bit harder to setup, so if you got it working in 7, don't waste time with Win ME.

    Cheers
    Hopachi
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  8. #18


    @Hopachi - Thanks for the help. I tried everything a month ago but downgraded to 7 again just for RA2.
    Have now tried running it in 16bit and it was fast and smooth

    Maybe have something to to with our gfx cards too? ATI Radeon HD 5570 here
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  9. #19


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by pjn123 View Post
    @Hopachi - Thanks for the help. I tried everything a month ago but downgraded to 7 again just for RA2.
    Have now tried running it in 16bit and it was fast and smooth
    Anytime.
    The game is actually in 16bit color when in full-screen but most of the users don't even know or care.

    Maybe have something to to with our gfx cards too? ATI Radeon HD 5570 here
    I don't think so.
    As long as gfx card can do 16bit color, the game will run. Virtually I only had 32mb graphics memory for it.
    Game is pretty old (directx 6-7 I guess), but newer gfx will be no problem, especially with Npatch or Ares patches applied.

    Cheers
    Hopachi
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  10. #20


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    Windows 8 64bit

    Yuris Revenge - Loosing after Minutes


    Dear all,

    My !!GERMAN!! Yuri's revenge is starting without problems on my Windows 8 64bit.
    I have applied the "Run as Admin" and compability / 65.536 colours things.
    Game starts.

    But if I start any campain or Skrimisch game
    after 1min, 25sec I LOOSE the game.
    Always.

    If I LOAD a Savegame, the loading Screen will last forever.

    HELP !!!
    Last edited by GoodAdvice; 07 Jul 2013 at 14:02.
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