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    Windows 8 WORST on TABLET


    Everyone says Win8 is supposed to be great on tablets. It's not. It's actually significantly worse than windows 7.
    Issues:
    Two finger right click removed-In 7, right clicking on a touchscreen was an instant two finger tap. Now it's a 2- second hold.
    Touch flicks removed-Actually useful touch gestures
    No start button-A hot corner is fine for the mouse, but it takes swipe-wait-tap to open the start menu on a tablet.
    OSK popover removed-no more popover when selecting a text field
    OSK Not resizable
    Javascript "apps" destroy my "weak" processor-I can't run cut the rope smoothly on win8, while it runs smoothly on those atom phones and on those really cheap android tabs.
    Last edited by phailyoor; 17 Aug 2012 at 19:30.

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    Palm Coast FLorida
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    Are these issues with windows 8 or the tablet you are trying it on?
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    They are things that worked fine in windows 7 and do not work fine in windows 8. They are also definitely not driver/software compatibility issues.
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    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Two finger right click removed-In 7, right clicking on a touchscreen was an instant two finger tap. Now it's a 2- second hold.
    Probably a design change due to the touch/drag nature of Win8. Note holding also did a right-click on Windows 7, so while I would agree hold and tap was a nice gesture, hold and slightly move (at least in the new start pane) does the same thing. I believe you still have to hold on the desktop.

    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    No start button-A hot corner is fine for the mouse, but it takes swipe-wait-tap to open the start menu on a tablet.
    My relatively "old" Win8 tablet (Samsung Series 7) has a Windows button on the front, so that's tablet specific. If it's important, make sure your Win8 device has a Windows button.

    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Javascript "apps" destroy my "weak" processor-I can't run cut the rope smoothly on win8, while it runs smoothly on those atom phones and on those really cheap android tabs.
    It runs fine on a nicer processor, but Atoms don't run in phones other than Intel's current (new) phone platform on Medfield (with old GPU hardware simply clocked up to boot - it might be good, but it also might not be... wait and see I suppose), and cheap android tabs and phones run on ARM chips. Ultimately, this isn't a good comparison, although Atom chips from the N2xx era seem to run some things well, but games, not so much. ARM chips (with video hardware onboard, don't forget) do much better at this due to their design and again, dedicated video hardware.

    Just because an app can be written in HTML and javascript doesn't make it "easy" for a CPU to run - this isn't your web javascript (graphics and filesystem calls and networking, and everything else, are still calls to the WinRT layer to do the work - javascript/HTML is just the programming "languages" used). Also, the Intel Atom of even this past year wasn't designed for anything that required more than simple tasks (and even then, sometimes it wasn't really great at some of those, either). For reference, it took until Atom N4xx/D4xx/Z6xx hardware in 2010 to get a GPU included (and not on-die, either), and actually (maybe) competitive Atom chips won't show up until later this year (see Lenovo's Thinkpad 2) which will have an on-die GPU, which will (again, hopefully) make up the performance delta between current ARM chips that Win8 will run on and Atom. Having x86 compat is nice, but for a throw-around device (that still will include the basic components of Office 2013 included), an ARM device will be a much better performer, and at far lower power usage to boot.
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    Really? I've tried 7 with touch and 8 with touch and 8 is WAY more better to use. I found it actually to be entertaining, that was literally the first time I've ever had a blast using a PC just using the UI.

    In all honestly, a swipe and tap to get to Start isn't detrimental I find. And I never noticed that 7 allowed a double tap for right click context menu, I just did the tap and hold.

    What tablet are you using?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    Probably a design change due to the touch/drag nature of Win8. Note holding also did a right-click on Windows 7, so while I would agree hold and tap was a nice gesture, hold and slightly move (at least in the new start pane) does the same thing. I believe you still have to hold on the desktop.
    Unfortunately, press and hold is the only way to right click in win8, unless I am mistaken.
    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    My relatively "old" Win8 tablet (Samsung Series 7) has a Windows button on the front, so that's tablet specific. If it's important, make sure your Win8 device has a Windows button.
    Yes, there is a physical button, but it's located in an awkward part and takes more force to press than the onscreen start button.
    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    ...an ARM device will be a much better performer, and at far lower power usage to boot.
    An Atom actually has comparable performance to modern ARM chips. My point is that javascript, by definition, is slower than managed or native code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    An Atom actually has comparable performance to modern ARM chips. My point is that javascript, by definition, is slower than managed or native code.
    And this is Windows 8's fault? As far as say cut the rope, it's not java based on my phone as far as I know, it's native code written to run under Android. Native code is always going to run faster than script like you said. Now if whoever wrote whatever app you're running under Java did it in a compiled, not interpreted mode, it'd most likely run smoothly without any problems.

    That being said, ever intel atom machine I've personally had any experience with (several lenovo netbooks, and a few home-built atom pc's) have always 'felt' slow. I don't ever expect much from that platform, so I've not ever been really disappointed with performance. For what they are designed for I felt they ran at an acceptable speed. I've not tried 8 on anything less than a dual-core i7 (my laptop, in emulation actually), or my desktop at home (8 core AMD FX), so I couldn't comment on the actual speed of a Win8 Atom-based install (Win7 performance on Atom was way too degraded in my experience though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by heffe2001 View Post
    And this is Windows 8's fault? As far as say cut the rope, it's not java based on my phone as far as I know, it's native code written to run under Android. Native code is always going to run faster than script like you said. Now if whoever wrote whatever app you're running under Java did it in a compiled, not interpreted mode, it'd most likely run smoothly without any problems.
    It's Microsoft's fault for delusionally pushing Javascript as a first rate platform. If Javascript wasn't an option, then stupid devs wouldn't write apps in it. As it is now, ALL of the stock "apps" are written in crappy javascript, and many of the store apps too.
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    Wow, just, wow, lol. That's some mighty strange logic, it's Microsoft's fault that a 3rd party company wrote a game in Javascript? The could have written that in any language they chose, but they chose Java (probably for ease of portability between devices would be my guess).

    Also, what specific tablet are you using, I think someone asked that before but didn't get an answer. Is it a single-core or double-core Atom? How much memory, storage type, etc?
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    It's Microsoft's problem for PROMOTING the idea of writing apps in javascript. It's also Microsoft's problem for writing 1st party apps in javascript.

    Ms claims that Javascript is equal to other RT platforms. MS is advertising JS to developers more than the other languages. MS is giving devs incentives to create JS apps.

    There is also the undeniable FACT that Javascript is ALWAYS slower than managed/native code. Even if a machine can run the code fast enough, it will ALWAYS USE MORE BATTERY.

    If the idiots at MS had any sense to care about battery life, like they claim to, then they would at least discourage JS apps, like in iOS/Android, making Managed/Native apps the recommended option.

    P.S.
    Javascript != Java. They're are only related in name.
    Javascript is an interpreted language
    Java is managed code
    please look up what those terms mean before making any more posts
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