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    SIW2, just curious, how do you guys do business documents, seems strange if you do it in pdf (portable document format)(Adobe Acrobat) most people 97.999% use Microsoft Word (Office). Let me also ask you, does your company use Microsoft Windows, or are they a Linux shop? If even that. Every Linux shop I've been in uses Open Office. (Microsoft Office compatible). Adobe Acrobat is archaic in how it handles documents. Of course this is only my opinion.

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    Internally, at my office, we use Microsoft Office. All of the files in our office are of the .doc file format. Even our 2010 installs default to .doc.

    However, when putting together any documentation that I sent offsite, I almost always File > Print > and output a .PDF file that I send. In the case of my resume, as it was done in Open Office, and I wasn't sure of anybodies ability to read it, I saved it too as a .pdf so that compatibility wasn't an issue.

    And nearly every manual, or white paper or anything else that I download from the web is presented in a .pdf format. This always ensures that people can read it as intended without any reliance on the word processor used to create it.
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    pparks1, SEE that is NOT true. If you get an email that has a .doc extension, and don't have MSO, Windows will open it in "WordPad"
    albeit you will lose some of the formatting, but you would be able to read it. Editing is another story, Wordpad is good, BUT doesn't have all the bells and whistles of MSO Word.
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    But why take a chance with the way that "it might" look on WordPad.? I can save as .PDF and it will look exactly the same, if you are on a PC, Mac, Windows, Linux or other device that sports a PDF viewer.
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    I use Windows.

    Just about everybody else in the creative industries uses Apple.

    I don't know what they use for their backroom work - but they never send me anything created by MS Office.

    The only business documents I get are quite small , scripts ( if they are emailing them- it will be just a few sides - always in pdf. If it is an entire script, they will usually post it.) , statements from my agents, and contracts.

    I have no use for MS Office at all. I don't even have it installed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    SIW2, just curious, how do you guys do business documents, seems strange if you do it in pdf (portable document format)(Adobe Acrobat) most people 97.999% use Microsoft Word (Office). Let me also ask you, does your company use Microsoft Windows, or are they a Linux shop? If even that. Every Linux shop I've been in uses Open Office. (Microsoft Office compatible). Adobe Acrobat is archaic in how it handles documents. Of course this is only my opinion.


    save as .PDF and it will look exactly the same, if you are on a PC, Mac, Windows, Linux or other device that sports a PDF viewer.
    PP - I guess that is why I usually pdfs - doesn't matter who they send it to - the recipient will always be able to use it.
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    All I am stating is, that MSO is the ipso facto in the business world.
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    @Mike - Probably is - MS make a fortune from it.

    @PP,

    That makes a lot of sense. I hadn't given it much thought before. Although almost everyone uses Apple - there might be a few who are on the go with a nexus, or an htc thing .

    Nigh on impossible to spot a Windows user. I did know two - but they both switched to Apple last year.
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    And of course to Apple's Microsoft Office as well. Apple Works Office Suite STINKS! Feels like you are in an old version of WordPerfect Suite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I don't know though, but I would bet a price starting at 600-1,000 dollars as it would be competitive with other OEM offerings. There are USB 3 ports on the Pro version, which is all that matters.
    I thought that the RT version was going to be in the $600 range. This would mean that the non-RT version would carry a heavier price tag. So, $1,000+ could easily be reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I was under the impression RT would be in ipad territory $500 or more, and Pro would be more aimed at the luxury/ultrabook end -$800 and up.
    Yeah, that's what I have heard. I would hope for the non RT closer to that $800 end..but fear that it could also exceed $1000 too. Time will tell on that.

    They won't have to. The mini iPad is going to be like $350


    This is happening in a lot of places, not only in the schools, but also in some businesses as well. My company evaluated dropping Microsoft Exchange and Office and moving to Google gmail and docs.
    Many schools abandon Microsoft Office for Google Apps to save money; Google Docs added 100 new features in 2011 | 9to5Google | Beyond Good and Evil

    The hardest part is really the interoperability betwen the 2 systems. Trying to get perfect translations between the two is the hard part. But if the actual file formats aren't necessary to be exchanged, and electronic formats become more the norm, this may become less of an issue than it is today. I know for my last few jobs, the resume has been formatted and submitted not as a .docs or .odt file, but rather a PDF.


    True, but extremely collaborative. Many accuse MS Office of having feature bloat, or more features than anybody knows what to do with. Every new version of Office results in people who have old versions like 2003, trying to figure out why they might need 2007/2010/2012 as they don't take advantage of a fraction of the features they have. Perhaps the world is ready to give up on the sheer number of features, in leui of better prices, lower cost of ownership, team collaboration and access from a variety of devices including PC's, Mac, smartphones, tablets, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But in the long run, potentially TWELVE YEARS of no Office usage for a young student means that when they try to land a white collar job, they don't have basic knowledge of Office, which is pretty much the requirement for employment is that knowledge.
    But an educated student, with experience with one product, won't require very much time to get to the basic features of any Office application.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I think the university mentioned in the video is doing a good thing, they're preparing their students to use what the latest tools of the trade are.
    This will make you cringe, but my brother in law attended Stanford University and earned a 4 year degree before going onto graduate school and earning an MBA. He has lived and worked in California, Switzerland, London, Sydney, Ethiopia, Paris and now Sydney again. While he was at Stanford, it was pretty much the norm and recommendation to use a Mac. He expressed concerns that trying to use a PC would have made things harder for him and less compatible with the faculty, labs, etc. He used a Mac all through his Bachelors and MBA program. And he has used a Mac at every job he has had. And Stanford actually recommends the Mac over the PC to students to this day, right on their website;
    Should I buy a Mac or a PC? Should I buy a laptop or a desktop? | Stanford Answers.
    google docs is collaborative, yes. But Office 2010 can be used with SkyDrive, and Office 2013 is simply collaborative. The cost is a genuine concern, but I wonder if some places could do virtualized Office apps to save costs.... Even still, the new Office Web Apps blow up google docs, just BOMB! It's not feature overloaded, it's not feature anorexic. For many a user, I would bet it would be greatly fantastic. And yeah, I guess maybe an educated student can figure it out, but have you seen what happens when you take a dropdown menu user and move them to the Ribbon? It's not fun. Theoretically, that person can figure it out, but shouldn't they already had that basic knowledge?

    And ew, mac. People still use those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I use Windows.

    Just about everybody else in the creative industries uses Apple.

    I don't know what they use for their backroom work - but they never send me anything created by MS Office.

    The only business documents I get are quite small , scripts ( if they are emailing them- it will be just a few sides - always in pdf. If it is an entire script, they will usually post it.) , statements from my agents, and contracts.

    I have no use for MS Office at all. I don't even have it installed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    SIW2, just curious, how do you guys do business documents, seems strange if you do it in pdf (portable document format)(Adobe Acrobat) most people 97.999% use Microsoft Word (Office). Let me also ask you, does your company use Microsoft Windows, or are they a Linux shop? If even that. Every Linux shop I've been in uses Open Office. (Microsoft Office compatible). Adobe Acrobat is archaic in how it handles documents. Of course this is only my opinion.


    save as .PDF and it will look exactly the same, if you are on a PC, Mac, Windows, Linux or other device that sports a PDF viewer.
    PP - I guess that is why I usually pdfs - doesn't matter who they send it to - the recipient will always be able to use it.
    I've never really understood why the creative bunch use macs? Never got it. Maybe it's the design I suppose.
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