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Identifying partitions on HP Pavilion 15 HDD for SSD image

  1. #61

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    Windows 8.1

    Ah at this point I have to pause - the program started the process of creating the drive but then said it needs a 32gb USB and I don't have one here - only a 16gb one. The screen won't let me go further, only click cancel. I'll have to hold fire a moment.
    I am kind of losing track of things a bit - just need a bit more of a walk through sometimes - not quite sure re the code whats going on. I created a System Image on a spare hard-drive earlier, and also a USB Windows File History boot drive, but there was no size requirement at that point. But that was before the command prompt thing (way beyond me) -- so are these redundant now... sorry, confused. It'll take me a while to get a new USB in play.

    EDIT - ok I just saw your extra advice in your last- sounds good. I will just need to sort out the 32gb USB, it's a little early in the day here, back in a few hours to settle it finally...

    I also now realise that the Control Panel 'Create Recovery Drive' option under 'Recovery Tools' is different from 'System Image Recovery' under 'File History'. When I first chose 'Recovery' on the latter screen, prior to making the command prompt alteration, I got a different set of options, but afterwards the link took me to 'Advanced Recovery Tools' with the top option being 'Create Recovery Drive'. I guess this became available after making that adjustment on command prompt. Ok, still playing catch-up!
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    Last edited by Damaha; 25 Feb 2015 at 08:06.

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  2. #62

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    Windows 8.1

    Slartybart, thanks for your encouragement in recent posts - I consider the adaptation of the recovery partition to be an extra precaution only, but as you advised am taking up KYHI's option 1. I confess I do not entirely understand what this process has entailed as it is rather over my head so would continue to value your clarity of explanation at this stage. I now have the 32gb USB and will complete the process of Option One though, as you have both recommended. Thank you again both.

    EDIT - ok, the recovery disk has been created. Now the question is whether to delete the recovery partition on the HDD. I would like to tidy up that duplicate entry, remove it from the disk management. Am I right to think I can copy the files from the new Recovery Drive onto my E Storage drive (and even onto cloud storage?) where they will be accessible in future - in which case it seems the partition really is discardable.

    It sounds as though I can do this if as you say:

    Now you can create a "FactoryRecovery" folder on your data drive - and copy all the files on the usb into that folder... For safe keeping..
    And that could be copied back onto a USB at any time and used?
    The USB is only 20gb full in the end. I wonder if i could put that on a cloud drive....
    Last edited by Damaha; 25 Feb 2015 at 14:56.
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  3. #63

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    Windows 3.1 > Windows 10

    Quote Originally Posted by KYHI View Post
    Now go to control panel - recovery - create a recovery drive..

    this will create windows recovery media on usb using the factory install images

    Once the process finishes - there will be a check box to remove the recovery partition.. Done..

    Now you can create a "FactoryRecovery" folder on your data drive - and copy all the files on the usb into that folder... For safe keeping..
    Now the question is whether to delete the recovery partition on the HDD.
    yes, remove / delete same thing

    And that could be copied back onto a USB at any time and used?
    yes in a folder or the cloud for safe keeping - can be copied back to usb if neded
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  4. #64

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    Windows 8.1

    Okay, all done.
    If it can be downloaded onto a USB at any time, then I guess I don't need to have a USB reserved for holding this all the time - but can use my USB for other purposes til its needed?
    And how is it used -- I think in HP you press F8 and then choose boot from USB, right? No other system image required, just the information from the cloud downloaded onto a USB will do it?
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  5. #65

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    Windows 3.1 > Windows 10

    yes, yes. yes
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  6. #66

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    Windows 8.1

    Ok- that's valuable information. Sometimes you have to spell things out for the beginners!.
    One step away from clicking 'solved' - just want to merge D (now empty) and E and change the drive letter to D I suppose for tidiness.
    Once again, just to thank both and sorry if anyone's feelings got hurt - the first part of the project I just wanted to get the SSD in, and didn't care about the Recovery Drive (I knew I had at least two if not three back ups - USB, Partition, and 8.1), so there I was firing all ahead and thanks to Slartybart it all went brilliantly. The second step was to sort out and decide what to do with the Recovery Partition, and that was where I owe KYHI thanks for a neat solution - looks like I will still have plenty of safety nets this way. Much thanks and no disrespect intended to either of you - it all helped. Sometimes messages get garbled especially because I was racing ahead. But no harm done - seems actually this thread moves pretty quickly to a successful outcome. Many thanks again -- lastly, perhaps could use Partition Wizard to delete Partition D so it becomes 'Unallocated', then merge it with E. And then perhaps it would be neat (though perhaps not necessary) to change the Drive Letter for Storage to D?
    Last edited by Damaha; 25 Feb 2015 at 19:57.
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  7. #67

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    Windows 3.1 > Windows 10

    D would be the logicial choice after merging the two partitions
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  8. #68

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    Good news,

    No hurt feelings here. I'm tool old and thick skinned

    My take on the forum is that the thread starter, you, gets to decide what they want to do. I can only make suggestions. Other members can make other suggestions. No member should get their feelings hurt or their ego bent if the thread starter decides to follow one path or another.

    A member can post anything they choose to post - but if it is petty or snide, I will speak up. There's nothing added by making such remarks and I've seen the thread starter get frustrated and leave without solving the issue. This is not what the forums are for - they're for volunteers helping people solve issues on computers, those that received help often stay on and help other members.

    I'm very glad that you were able to create a Recovery drive with KYHI's assistance. Thanks KYHI.

    All that remains is the double D issue - which was more of a side comment in post#1 than the main topic of your thread.

    Please post a Disk Management screen shot after you use Partition Wizard (I just find Disk Mgmt images easier to read).

    We're good KYHI, it might be better to mutter under your breath than to post things like "I told you so"..."That's a dangerous assumption ..." "That's what you get when you assume..."

    This sort of snark really bugs me "And Honestly - he does not need that recovery partition - as it is useless to him now.. " while in a subsequent post you use the d: recovery partion in the reagentc cmd.
    Quote Originally Posted by KYHI View Post
    ..... Reagentc /Setosimage /Path d:\preload /Target c:\Windows /Index 1
    If we are helping on another thread and I'm sure we will, and you try to tear me down to build yourself up, I will call you on it every time. I'm not telling you how or what to post, I just letting you know I do not appreciate some of your commentary. As long as everyone is adult about it, there shouldn't be any issue.

    Anyway, we're good - you said what you said and I said what I said. I'll go back to helping members on Seven, Eight, and Ten forums as well as working with friends who want to take Win10 Technical Preview for a spin.

    What matters is that damaha is happy with the outcome. I'm sure that once the double D issue is resolved and the thread is marked solved that damaha will be a satisfied EightForums member.

    Good work everyone,


    Sorry about the BS KYHI and I posted in your thread. It happens sometimes, hopefully we understand each other better and can avoid it in a future thread.
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  9. #69

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    Windows 3.1 > Windows 10

    You missed my talking points Bart,
    My approach was a little more un-assuming and assuming this would happen

    It would of been easier to create the recovery media - first - when the option was available with out issue..
    Install SSD - clean install win 8.1
    Reinstall HDD - wipe drive for use as Data drive

    And yes, the factory recovery is useless - unless he wants to return his HDD to Factory Setting..
    Or edit the Restconfig,xml file to allow factory recovery to a smaller drive

    I always request that people - create recovery media from a known working system - Just in case something turns out not as OP planned or expected..

    As it appears the OP wanted the factory recovery option - that was my take from post 1

    Interested in identifying the different partitions and their importance to the system on this new HP Pavilion 15 in advance of moving OS to an SSD. Should it be tidied up before moving, what is crucial, and how many partitions should there be, and how easily is the OS and apps (no data - all in cloud) transferrable via Recovery USB
    It appears you suggested a clean install - that was my take midway through post 3

    This one you know . Win8 only takes up about 20 GB on my machine, but I did a clean install to get rid of the HP bloat.
    You must have some other things installed on C: to get to 77 GB (I can't imagine HP bloats system by 57GB)
    I did not chime in until post 5 after you suggested a clean install

    Go to control panel - recovery - create a recovery drive.. That is your factory recovery image - and it is not the same as what you where provided..
    then do your testing..
    Which we just completed in a more round about way - Now he should have, recovery media, a clean install on SSD and a HDD Data drive
    Last edited by KYHI; 26 Feb 2015 at 12:51.
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  10. #70

    Posts : 39
    Windows 8.1

    Ok I'm just copying the Recovery USB onto my Data drive/Dropbox. This all takes me back to post 11 where you advised editing some of the files in the newly created Recovery drive to allow it to work on an SSD

    once you create that media / in the sources folder / will be *resetconfig.xml / you need to open with notepad and edit


    as your number will be the size of your present HDD - so you need to lower the minimum Drive size to fit your SSD

    65536 represents a 64GB drive size minimum, which means it will now restore to your 120GB SSD
    (In passing, this is prob where I began moving towards the fresh install option, simply because I was blinded by science - I didn't feel confident of adjusting elements of the sources folder by editing with notepad (the codes still are mysterious to me) - self-adjusting re-installs seemed more idiot-proof... and the HP USB and Windows ISO were both available, tho the first failed.

    Having now created the recovery files, guess the edit's still necessary to make them work on the SSD? Will have a go...
    See below for a shot of resetconfig - have now changed the number in Minsize but puzzled because it seemed smaller than the one you suggest to insert...
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    Last edited by Damaha; 27 Feb 2015 at 05:46.
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