USB HDD Kills Win 8.1 not Chromebook or Other Linux system

gferris

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My Win 8.1 machine was set up with 2 hard drives, an SSD for the OS, and an HDD for my user data. After a random reboot (I had changed the Workgroup name) just after the login screen appears, the second HDD thrashes and then crashes the win 8.1 OS. If I disconnect the second user data drive the OS loads and runs fine.

To try and figure out what was going on, I pulled the drive and plugged it into a USB drive enclosure. When I plug the enclosure into a running WIN8.1 machine, it thrashes for 10 seconds and kills the OS. The same thing happens when I plug the USB drive enclosure into my wife's WIN 8.1 laptop....poof goes the OS. So then I plugged the enclosure into my Chromebook (linux) and the Chromebook can read all my files just fine with no problems (doing a backup now).

So the big question is, what is Windows 8.1 searching for on my drive the second it gets plugged in.....i.e. what indexing file, executable file, security status, or partition status can I change or delete off of the second drive so that it doesn't piddle off the OS. What does the WIN 8.1 autorun the second a new drive gets seen by the OS?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8,1
Is the other two machines set to boot off of USB, if available? Check their bios settings. Your computer should not have crashed, just because you changed the workgroup name. Sounds like something else is going on with your computer, or that drive.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Linux Mint 17.2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba Satellite C850D-st3nx1
    CPU
    AMD E1-1200 APU with Radeon (tm) HD Graphics 1.40 GHZ
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon™ HD 7310 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    Crucial M500 240GB SSD
    Mouse
    Logitech M525
    Internet Speed
    45/6 - ATT U-Verse
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    None needed. It is Linux.
    Other Info
    Arris NVG589 Gateway; Router - Cisco RV320; Switch - Netgear GS108 8-Port Switch & Trendnet TEG-S50g 5-Port Switch; Access Points - Engenius ECB350, Trendnet TEW-638APB; NAS - Lenovo ix2-4; Printer - Brother HL-2280DW; Air Print Server - Lantronix XPrintServer

    A/V UPS - Tripp-Lite Smart 1500LCD 1500 Va/900 W.
No neither machine is set to boot off of USB, and in both cases this is a secondary drive. Something happens when windows recognizes a new drive, either explorer looks for an index, a security program does something, etc. I am just not sure what it is. It is impossible to debug within windows because it BSOD's the machine. In Linux, the drive loads and the data is fine (still coping 2 terrabytes to a backup) so it is not the HDD itself that is the problem...... It is some file ? that windows is trying to autoload or autoexecute? I just don't know what file is?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8,1
Can you use some malware or av from Chromebook to check that HDD ? I suppose you checked system with some antimalware programs while it's running without HDD in question.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home made
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen7 2700x
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime x470 Pro
    Memory
    16GB Kingston 3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus strix 570 OC 4gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 evo 250GB
    Silicon Power V70 240GB SSD
    WD 1 TB Blue
    WD 2 TB Blue
    Bunch of backup HDDs.
    PSU
    Sharkoon, Silent Storm 660W
    Case
    Raidmax
    Cooling
    CCM Nepton 140xl
    Internet Speed
    40/2 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD
Yes, I have checked the OS that is running for malware, etc. In fact, I created a bootable USB with a minimal win 8 system on it, booted from that to minimized the possibilities of what might be running on the system itself, and even in that case, when the second HDD is added the system BSODs. It really seems like it is something the WIN 8 OS itself is looking for or autorunning when a drive gets added to its configuration. Are there files that WIN 8, or PNP looks for to autorun on a drive mount? Where on the HDD?

I am still copying the Data on the HDD to a Linux based backup station (usb 2.0 is slow), I will scan than system when it finishes.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8,1
Try turning off the AutoPlay feature in Control Panel, if its enabled. If that works you can then scan it for viruses etc from Windows.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Asus
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard
    Memory
    8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Geforce GT640 2 Gig DDR3 PCIe
    Sound Card
    VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" LG E2242 1080p and 2 19" I-INC AG191D
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024 - 1920x1080 - 1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    Crucial MX100 256 GB SSD and 500 GB WD Blue SATA
    PSU
    Thermaltake TR 620
    Case
    Power Up Black ATX Mid-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Stock heatsink fan
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wireless K350 Wave
    Mouse
    Logitech M570 Trackball and T650 TouchPad
    Internet Speed
    80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2
Before your problems began, did you disconnect or move your harddrive data cable to a different location?
If you slightly tug on the data or power cable to your HDD, does it move easily or come off?
Lastly, did you enter your bios for any reason immediately before your problem began? Not change, just enter?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 & Windows 7 Dual Boot
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP G60
    CPU
    AMD Turion RM-70 Dual Core 2.0 GHZ
    Memory
    3 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce 8200M G
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Mouse
    MS Intellipoint 5 button (love it!)
    Browser
    Chrome and Chromium
    Antivirus
    Avast Free & Malwarebytes
Have you checked the indexing options in control panel, sounds like it might be trying to index the drive when connected

If not, go into indexing options, tell it to rebuild them (could take a while) then connect the drive when it finishes to see if its any better
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 3521
    CPU
    i5
    Memory
    4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon
    Browser
    IE
alpha - Autorun was set to autorun the file manager. I now have that turned off and will report when I get the drive back from my linux system.
Paulsalter - I think that indexing by the FileManager is the problem. However, you cannot turn it off if you cannot mount the drive (it is a drive property that only is accessible in windows when the drive mounts). So my question is what files can I safely delete in the NTFS System Volume Information directory that FM with automatically rebuild?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8,1
While it's still attached to Linux machine, you can delete folders "$recycle.bin" and "Sytem Volume information". Upon reconnect, windows will rebuild those two folders.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home made
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen7 2700x
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime x470 Pro
    Memory
    16GB Kingston 3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus strix 570 OC 4gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 evo 250GB
    Silicon Power V70 240GB SSD
    WD 1 TB Blue
    WD 2 TB Blue
    Bunch of backup HDDs.
    PSU
    Sharkoon, Silent Storm 660W
    Case
    Raidmax
    Cooling
    CCM Nepton 140xl
    Internet Speed
    40/2 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD
With Autorun off and the "$recycle.bin" and "System Volume information" folders deleted, it still causes a BSOD when the USB enclosure is added to the Windows machine.

I hooked it back up to the Linux DiskStation, shared it, and mapped the network drive onto my Windows box to grab a copy of my most critical files, and I am now Virus scanning the entire mapped drive. Assuming that finds nothing (which I highly anticipate that it will) I will look at the other partition on the drive, which Linux mounts separately; that partition is bootable so maybe something in it is causing windows to throw up all of the sudden....even though I am not booting from it .
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8,1
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