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Not all processors are created "Equal"

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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Not all processors are created "Equal"


    Hi there

    It just shows that you shouldn't merely look at "RAW" CPU power or the number of Cores.

    I tried converting a 2.0 GB 1080p HD RIP of the 50th anniversary edition of "The Wizard of OZ" to a DVD so I could add some Icelandic subtitles for my aged Grandma !!! (No to anybody from down under -- this isn't a Film about "Aussie Wizards" or wizards from "Down under !!").

    Computer 1.

    Desktop machine AMD Phenom II X4 (QUAD) Processor -- 1 hr 35 mins processor over 3.2 GHZ. 16 GB RAM on ASUS Mobo.

    Computer 2.

    HP laptop (Envy sleekbook with INTEL i5 processor (DUO not QUAD) 55 Mins !!!! Processor around 2.1 GHZ and 8GB RAM

    Thanks AMD - no wonder people are leaving AMD in Droves.

    Could be Cache -- no idea -- same program and both machines running Windows 8.1 update 1 X-64 .

    Both OS'es on SSD (Samsung 256GB 840). Target and source files on SSD.

    I've excluded burning time since the laptop doesn't have a physical DVD -- I had to copy the .ISO to the other machine and burn from there -- but Burn times were excluded. Time shown was to create the ISO ready for burning.

    Program set up on both machines to use all cores etc.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    Hence the reason that I have been saying that i fully recommend and only use Intel processors since the days of the Intel Core 2 Duo. I used many AMD processors prior to this time, but AMD has simply not had the upper hand for a very long time. Only in very specialized instances does having more cores really make things better. AMD has really cached in on selling the # of cores, versus the actual performance of the core.

    And typically when you say that Intel processors are not that much higher priced, AMD fans say the the top Intel 8 core processor is like $1,000 while the AMD is like $150, so it's massively less expensive. But they often fail to realize that a quad core Intel, heck even some dual core Intels can outperform those 8 core AMD's in most common applications that people will encounter.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there

    Thanks for the explanation -- I'm upgrading that machine to 32 GB RAM with a decent i7 in it -- no more AMD's for me -- the difference between the two really was amazing -- and this is a GOOD test since Video manipulations will always tax a CPU to the limit.

    For a lot of bog standard "Officy" stuff then there probably isn't much difference but if you use serious CPU cycles then a better processor is well worth it. I do a lot amount of "PHOTOSHOPPING" too -- often with loads of Layers etc to produce professional quality prints for press as well and processing a load of RAW photos from some good high quality top end PRO DSLR'S. This also takes a lot of time and needs a good quality processor.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Love my i5 for video transcoding. Quite fast, I can convert a 2 hour 12 GB TV show to MP4 900MB in about 20 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by popeye View Post
    Love my i5 for video transcoding. Quite fast, I can convert a 2 hour 12 GB TV show to MP4 900MB in about 20 minutes.
    Hi there

    Transcoding THAT way is always a lot quicker than CREATING a DVD (with DVD structures / VOB files etc etc) FROM an MP4 or MKV file !!!! Also the quality of the output video will also depend on how much you've compressed it. I'm usually writing to 4,7 GB DVD blanks and want the best quality that will fit on them. A 900MB file reduced from a 12GB one might not yield quality much better than the old VHS standard.

    Try creating just an ISO (without burning to physical DVD) say using CONVERTXTODVD or similar DVD authoring program any decent HD / BLU Ray rips (source size 1080p say 2.2 GB Rip). I think you'll be surprised at how long it takes.

    The point is taken of course about the i5 -- but people get hugely confused when you say you want to CREATE a physical DVD which will play on a stand alone player rather than just transcode a codec -- these days of course a lot of people don't often want to create physical DVD's any more as you just rip and transcode into MP4/MKV or even AVI and play on your computer ==> TV via HDMI.

    CREATING a physical DVD though requires a bit more "Horse power" !!!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by popeye View Post
    Love my i5 for video transcoding. Quite fast, I can convert a 2 hour 12 GB TV show to MP4 900MB in about 20 minutes.
    Hi there

    Transcoding THAT way is always a lot quicker than CREATING a DVD (with DVD structures / VOB files etc etc) FROM an MP4 or MKV file !!!!

    The point is taken of course -- but people get hugely confused when you say you want to CREATE a physical DVD which will play on a stand alone player -- these days of course a lot of people don't do this any more as you just transcode into MP4/MKV or even AVI and play on your computer ==> TV via HDMI.

    CREATING a physical DVD though requires a bit more "Horse power" !!!.

    Cheers
    jimbo

    Understand, I just threw in my 2 cents on the transcoding thing. Has been awhile since I created a DVD but as I remember it was pretty fast too. Back when I had AMD processor it was still single core days and I didn't do any video conversions at all.

    Your real world comparison is quite revealing though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    And typically when you say that Intel processors are not that much higher priced, AMD fans say the the top Intel 8 core processor is like $1,000 while the AMD is like $150, so it's massively less expensive. But they often fail to realize that a quad core Intel, heck even some dual core Intels can outperform those 8 core AMD's in most common applications that people will encounter.
    That is only partially true. Most people do not really need Intel, unless they work with graphics or video.
    Performance in games using Intel CPU for $1,000 vs AMD for $150 is the same, it is about limitations of GPU.
    If you spend all that money on buying better GPU, more RAM and so on, then the AMD is an obvious choice.
    If people ask, which CPU is better, it always come to what do you need it for. Intel is sure worth it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TairikuOkami View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    And typically when you say that Intel processors are not that much higher priced, AMD fans say the the top Intel 8 core processor is like $1,000 while the AMD is like $150, so it's massively less expensive. But they often fail to realize that a quad core Intel, heck even some dual core Intels can outperform those 8 core AMD's in most common applications that people will encounter.
    That is only partially true. Most people do not really need Intel, unless they work with graphics or video.
    Performance in games using Intel CPU for $1,000 vs AMD for $150 is the same, it is about limitations of GPU.
    If you spend all that money on buying better GPU, more RAM and so on, then the AMD is an obvious choice.
    If people ask, which CPU is better, it always come to what do you need it for. Intel is sure worth it though.
    Why settle for less? You won't save enough money to buy a high end graphics card by buying a similar AMD versus an Intel processor.

    I wasn't saying a $1000 Intel cpu was the way to go for almost everyone. But people with an 8 core AMD usually tout how much cheaper their 8 core model is compared to an 8 core Intel. But contrasting based solely on the number of CPUs is irrelevant. A 4 core Intel can often beat out an 8 core AMD. And maybe the AMD 8 core is $149, while an Intel 4 core might be $ $199, but $50 is probably about 5 percent of the cost of the entire PC. For that little money, I would not settle. Scrap the fancy case with a window, scrap the silly LED lighting, don't bother adding 12 additional case fans, don't buy the most expensive thermal paste you can find, you can find the money for the CPU.
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