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Why do people still go for LOW RES screens

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    Why do people still go for LOW RES screens


    Hi there

    BBC News - Samsung-made Nook tablet announced by Barnes & Noble

    To me this is a BIG mistake making a device with POOR screen resolution - even if it is cheap -- Even on a small Samsung S5 phone I can EASILY tell the difference between the nice HD (1020 X 1080) resolution on that screen and lower res devices.

    If I'm reading using say a Kindle I want the best resolution I can get -- if you have poor resolution when you increase the font size the fonts can appear "jagged" and reading isn't such a pleasurable experience.

    While the market might be looking for lower cost devices -- compromising on SCREEN RESOLUTION IMO is one step too far -- I even don't like the bog standard 15.6 inch screen laptops with a measly 768 X 1366 resolution - abd as you get older you definitely want a better resolution - especially as you are likely to use larger font sizes where imperfections are easily noticed.

    That's why I like the SP3 -- you can't beat the stupendous resolution either - easily seen even on a 12 inch screen. !!! (But it's NOT cheap though !!!).

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    For the average user they wouldn't know the difference. And, resolution is indeed a price point and lower end devices that are affordable are many times higher on a person's requirement list than a higher resolution screen

    Especially for a Nook where they push the book reading on it over anything else. My wife has a color Kindle and she just reads books on it. For anything else, she uses her Surface.
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    People go for cheap. We just got a Samsung Plasma display in our office about a year ago. I had no input on the purchase. the person who did had a friend who worked in retail and got us a good deal. I figured a year old 51" plasma would be 1080p, but i found it was 720p. And not only that, it's native resolution is 1024x768. That's a 4:3 resolution on a 16:9 display. To say it looks like crap on a computer is the understatement of the year.
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    Hi there

    Those 720p things aren't nice -- there's a real consumer trick -- when it says a TV is "HD READY" on the label this means that it is actually 720p (or 1080i in rare circumstances -- and that's NOT HD 1080p). TV's with marking FULL HD mean 1080p HD.

    I'm amazed how many people are still being taken in by "HD READY" and when they get it home can't see any improvement over what they had before !!!.

    If you are buying a new TV avoid like the plague those models that simply say "HD READY" on the label. I'm amazed that the industry can get away with BLATANT confusion to the customer as IMO this is almost "Fraud" in conning people into believing a device has a far superior resolution to what it actually has.

    Reading a book on a kindle device actually is MUCH easier and pleasant if the resolution is better. As you get older you usually want to increase the font size -- "jaggies" etc become immediately apparent on low res devices.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    To really blow your mind, I'm in the camp that says with regular TV or movie watching, you won't see a difference between 720p and 1080p given the same source material.

    When you watch 2 properly calibrated displays, side by side, playing the same input source material (say 1080p BluRay), very few people would be able to distinguish which one was which. They did a test in 2006 or 2007, in Athens Greece where they used 2 Marantz projectors (one 720p the other 1080p), displaying on a 130" screen from about 10 feet away people in an AV club were unable to distinguish which was which and listed the difference as "insignificant". And keep in mind, these are AV nerds. Other times when they claim something to be "night and day", the average consumer wouldn't be able to discern any difference.

    OBVIOUSLY, when you connect a computer to a display and consider resolution...this all goes out the window and there is a huge difference between 1386x768 and 1920x1080.

    At home, my primary TV is a 50" Panasonic Plasma. it's a 720p and I love it to death. In fact, I've been considering putting it into my basement for the kids...but I've yet to find a new 1080p display for the living room that I like as much as my 720p Plasma. I'm not a fan of these LED LCD's. I love the awesome black levels of my panny and the fantastic viewing angles. The only downfall on my plasma is the glass screen and reflections from my front window in the day time, but I can live with that for everything else I get.
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    Hi there

    I think you are a bit wrong there -- the reason a lot of people might not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p is because a lot of TV is still transmitted in older quality (sometimes even up-rezzed to 720p from the old VHS 480 standard - never mind 1080p) resolution.

    If a program is filmed entirely in 1080P true HD the difference is glaringly obvious -- just try watching some English Premier League Football on the SKY SPORTS HD channels and I'd say you would need a "White Stick" if you couldn't see the difference between 720p and 1080P full HD.

    Note also there's been quite an improvement in both the quality of displays and transmitting equipment done since 2007 (almost 8 years ago -- a Geological age in Hi Tech stuff).

    Even a decently ripped Blu ray DVD (compressed to around 1.2 GB) still EASILY shows up better on a TV with full HD resolution compared with a 720P one.

    As I'm getting older perhaps I notice these things more but I most definitely CAN tell the difference - often though stuff labelled as 1080p isn't actually true 1080p but simply "Up-Rezzed". That makes a HUGE difference. The Source material must be of the correct quality for you to be able to see the difference.

    TV companies still do this a lot as they can't re-shoot all their old material again. Usually Live Sports are the best programs to check for the HD quality - as well as the latest movies.

    We are just playing around with 4K Ultra HD resolution at the moment --if you have a 4K TV it is absolutely Stunning -- although some women complain about it's too easy to spot any blemishes on their faces at that resolution -- so the casting rooms will have their work cut out for them !!! I can imagine hordes of angry women marching down Hollywood Blvd requesting action be taken to "re-beautify" their faces !!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    I think you are a bit wrong there -- the reason a lot of people might not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p is because a lot of TV is still transmitted in older quality (sometimes even up-rezzed to 720p from the old VHS 480 standard - never mind 1080p) resolution.
    No, not confused at that level Jimbo. I've studied this extensively over the past 10 years.

    Remember I said the study was from an AV club, hardcore video nerds. This wasn't just wacky thing that I came up with. Here is a link to the original forum thread (1080p-720p shoot-out in Athens! - AVS Forum)

    Actually, when you watch old standard definition TV the higher the resolution on the fixed pixel display, the worse it looks. Standard def looks better on a 480p display, than it does on a 720p display and even better than it does on a 1080p display. The more lines of resolution you have and the more pixels, the more the noise and artifacts become even worse.


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    If a program is filmed entirely in 1080P true HD the difference is glaringly obvious
    Yes, that's why I said you have to play the same "source" material. If I watch a DVD on my 720p display TV, and then watch a BluRay on the same 720p TV, the input is 1080p and then downscaled by the TV the native resolution of the tv and looks far superior to the DVD version. It's the same exact TV set, so obviously it's not the TV making it look better or worse, but rather the source itself.

    If you have the same filmed 1080p input signal, sent to a 65" 1080p display and a 65" 720p display (properly calibrated, and hopefully the same brands so it's not superior video scalers in the set), I'm confident most people wouldn't be able to identify which TV was showing the 1080p signal vests the 720p display if those people are more than 4 feet away from the TV.

    Where people usually go astray is when they buy a new TV and say, "oh my gawd, my new 1080p display blows away my old HDTV". Well, let's see you old set was 6 years old..so the video scalers have improved. Next, many went from a DVD player with their old 720p set, to a BluRay player on their 1080p display...of course that's going to look better. Any many people get fooled by colors that "pop" and are crazy exaggerated. I'm far more of a purist, that pays to get a TV calibrated so that the colors are accurate. My TV might not "pop", but the grass on the soccer field really isn't florescent either.


    So, the moral of my story, if you take the same gorgeous 1080p material, and feed it to a properly calibrated projector or TV, if it's displayed at full 1080p or downscaled to 720p, you won't really see the difference.
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    Why is the tube versus transistor audio amplifier debate ringing in my head?
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    I hope somebody will still be making plasma TV's. Our 5 year old plasma is still going strong (yes, it's a 720p) and we have talked about getting a newer plasma for a while but since there is nothing wrong with our existing plasma (except not being as large as we would like - it's a 42") I've had difficulties justifying putting it aside for a new TV.

    Next year we will probably finally be in a position to buy a new TV. I will be VERY upset if I have to put up with an LED or LCD television. I dislike how they display images. I have been spoiled by my plasma. I hope we can find some old stock on a 2014 model or 2013 model NEW 52" plasma. And then maybe I'll be lucky enough for the new plasma to out last me.
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    Am I the only one missing CRTs ? My last one was a big Sony Trinitron and while it was obviously a pain to move, I still miss it... Great contrast, and color rendition, true black and of course no problem watching it from any angle.
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