Why do people still go for LOW RES screens

jimbo45

New Member
VIP Member
Guru
Messages
4,373
Location
Hafnarfjörður IS
Hi there

BBC News - Samsung-made Nook tablet announced by Barnes & Noble

To me this is a BIG mistake making a device with POOR screen resolution - even if it is cheap -- Even on a small Samsung S5 phone I can EASILY tell the difference between the nice HD (1020 X 1080) resolution on that screen and lower res devices.

If I'm reading using say a Kindle I want the best resolution I can get -- if you have poor resolution when you increase the font size the fonts can appear "jagged" and reading isn't such a pleasurable experience.

While the market might be looking for lower cost devices -- compromising on SCREEN RESOLUTION IMO is one step too far -- I even don't like the bog standard 15.6 inch screen laptops with a measly 768 X 1366 resolution - abd as you get older you definitely want a better resolution - especially as you are likely to use larger font sizes where imperfections are easily noticed.

That's why I like the SP3 -- you can't beat the stupendous resolution either - easily seen even on a 12 inch screen. !!! (But it's NOT cheap though !!!).

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 X LG 40 inch TV
    Hard Drives
    SSD's * 3 (Samsung 840 series) 250 GB
    2 X 3 TB sata
    5 X 1 TB sata
    Internet Speed
    0.12 GB/s (120Mb/s)
For the average user they wouldn't know the difference. And, resolution is indeed a price point and lower end devices that are affordable are many times higher on a person's requirement list than a higher resolution screen

Especially for a Nook where they push the book reading on it over anything else. My wife has a color Kindle and she just reads books on it. For anything else, she uses her Surface.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Tablet
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Nokia Lumia 2520
    CPU
    Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 800
    Memory
    2GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    10.1"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    32GB SSD
    Case
    Asus Case
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wedge Keyboard
    Mouse
    Bornd Bluetooth Mouse
    Browser
    IE 11
People go for cheap. We just got a Samsung Plasma display in our office about a year ago. I had no input on the purchase. the person who did had a friend who worked in retail and got us a good deal. I figured a year old 51" plasma would be 1080p, but i found it was 720p. And not only that, it's native resolution is 1024x768. That's a 4:3 resolution on a 16:9 display. To say it looks like crap on a computer is the understatement of the year.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
Hi there

Those 720p things aren't nice -- there's a real consumer trick -- when it says a TV is "HD READY" on the label this means that it is actually 720p (or 1080i in rare circumstances -- and that's NOT HD 1080p). TV's with marking FULL HD mean 1080p HD.

I'm amazed how many people are still being taken in by "HD READY" and when they get it home can't see any improvement over what they had before !!!.

If you are buying a new TV avoid like the plague those models that simply say "HD READY" on the label. I'm amazed that the industry can get away with BLATANT confusion to the customer as IMO this is almost "Fraud" in conning people into believing a device has a far superior resolution to what it actually has.

Reading a book on a kindle device actually is MUCH easier and pleasant if the resolution is better. As you get older you usually want to increase the font size -- "jaggies" etc become immediately apparent on low res devices.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 X LG 40 inch TV
    Hard Drives
    SSD's * 3 (Samsung 840 series) 250 GB
    2 X 3 TB sata
    5 X 1 TB sata
    Internet Speed
    0.12 GB/s (120Mb/s)
To really blow your mind, I'm in the camp that says with regular TV or movie watching, you won't see a difference between 720p and 1080p given the same source material.

When you watch 2 properly calibrated displays, side by side, playing the same input source material (say 1080p BluRay), very few people would be able to distinguish which one was which. They did a test in 2006 or 2007, in Athens Greece where they used 2 Marantz projectors (one 720p the other 1080p), displaying on a 130" screen from about 10 feet away people in an AV club were unable to distinguish which was which and listed the difference as "insignificant". And keep in mind, these are AV nerds. Other times when they claim something to be "night and day", the average consumer wouldn't be able to discern any difference.

OBVIOUSLY, when you connect a computer to a display and consider resolution...this all goes out the window and there is a huge difference between 1386x768 and 1920x1080.

At home, my primary TV is a 50" Panasonic Plasma. it's a 720p and I love it to death. In fact, I've been considering putting it into my basement for the kids...but I've yet to find a new 1080p display for the living room that I like as much as my 720p Plasma. I'm not a fan of these LED LCD's. I love the awesome black levels of my panny and the fantastic viewing angles. The only downfall on my plasma is the glass screen and reflections from my front window in the day time, but I can live with that for everything else I get.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
Hi there

I think you are a bit wrong there -- the reason a lot of people might not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p is because a lot of TV is still transmitted in older quality (sometimes even up-rezzed to 720p from the old VHS 480 standard - never mind 1080p) resolution.

If a program is filmed entirely in 1080P true HD the difference is glaringly obvious -- just try watching some English Premier League Football on the SKY SPORTS HD channels and I'd say you would need a "White Stick" if you couldn't see the difference between 720p and 1080P full HD.

Note also there's been quite an improvement in both the quality of displays and transmitting equipment done since 2007 (almost 8 years ago -- a Geological age in Hi Tech stuff).

Even a decently ripped Blu ray DVD (compressed to around 1.2 GB) still EASILY shows up better on a TV with full HD resolution compared with a 720P one.

As I'm getting older perhaps I notice these things more but I most definitely CAN tell the difference - often though stuff labelled as 1080p isn't actually true 1080p but simply "Up-Rezzed". That makes a HUGE difference. The Source material must be of the correct quality for you to be able to see the difference.

TV companies still do this a lot as they can't re-shoot all their old material again. Usually Live Sports are the best programs to check for the HD quality - as well as the latest movies.

We are just playing around with 4K Ultra HD resolution at the moment --if you have a 4K TV it is absolutely Stunning -- although some women complain about it's too easy to spot any blemishes on their faces at that resolution -- so the casting rooms will have their work cut out for them !!! I can imagine hordes of angry women marching down Hollywood Blvd requesting action be taken to "re-beautify" their faces !!!

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 X LG 40 inch TV
    Hard Drives
    SSD's * 3 (Samsung 840 series) 250 GB
    2 X 3 TB sata
    5 X 1 TB sata
    Internet Speed
    0.12 GB/s (120Mb/s)
Hi there

I think you are a bit wrong there -- the reason a lot of people might not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p is because a lot of TV is still transmitted in older quality (sometimes even up-rezzed to 720p from the old VHS 480 standard - never mind 1080p) resolution.
No, not confused at that level Jimbo. I've studied this extensively over the past 10 years.

Remember I said the study was from an AV club, hardcore video nerds. This wasn't just wacky thing that I came up with. Here is a link to the original forum thread (1080p-720p shoot-out in Athens! - AVS Forum)

Actually, when you watch old standard definition TV the higher the resolution on the fixed pixel display, the worse it looks. Standard def looks better on a 480p display, than it does on a 720p display and even better than it does on a 1080p display. The more lines of resolution you have and the more pixels, the more the noise and artifacts become even worse.


If a program is filmed entirely in 1080P true HD the difference is glaringly obvious
Yes, that's why I said you have to play the same "source" material. If I watch a DVD on my 720p display TV, and then watch a BluRay on the same 720p TV, the input is 1080p and then downscaled by the TV the native resolution of the tv and looks far superior to the DVD version. It's the same exact TV set, so obviously it's not the TV making it look better or worse, but rather the source itself.

If you have the same filmed 1080p input signal, sent to a 65" 1080p display and a 65" 720p display (properly calibrated, and hopefully the same brands so it's not superior video scalers in the set), I'm confident most people wouldn't be able to identify which TV was showing the 1080p signal vests the 720p display if those people are more than 4 feet away from the TV.

Where people usually go astray is when they buy a new TV and say, "oh my gawd, my new 1080p display blows away my old HDTV". Well, let's see you old set was 6 years old..so the video scalers have improved. Next, many went from a DVD player with their old 720p set, to a BluRay player on their 1080p display...of course that's going to look better. Any many people get fooled by colors that "pop" and are crazy exaggerated. I'm far more of a purist, that pays to get a TV calibrated so that the colors are accurate. My TV might not "pop", but the grass on the soccer field really isn't florescent either.


So, the moral of my story, if you take the same gorgeous 1080p material, and feed it to a properly calibrated projector or TV, if it's displayed at full 1080p or downscaled to 720p, you won't really see the difference.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
Why is the tube versus transistor audio amplifier debate ringing in my head? :p
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer V3 771G-6443
    CPU
    i5-3230m
    Motherboard
    Acer VA70_HC (U3E1)
    Memory
    8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 (800 MHz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    HD4000 + GeForce GT 730M
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" Generic PnP Display on Intel HD Graphics 4000
    Screen Resolution
    1600x900 pixels
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250 GB
    ADATA SSD SP900 128GB
    PSU
    90 watt brick
    Mouse
    Bluetooth
    Antivirus
    Comodo
    Other Info
    Asus RT-AC56R dual-band WRT router (Merlin firmware). Intel 7260.HMWWB.R dual-band ac wireless adapter.
I hope somebody will still be making plasma TV's. Our 5 year old plasma is still going strong (yes, it's a 720p) and we have talked about getting a newer plasma for a while but since there is nothing wrong with our existing plasma (except not being as large as we would like - it's a 42") I've had difficulties justifying putting it aside for a new TV.

Next year we will probably finally be in a position to buy a new TV. I will be VERY upset if I have to put up with an LED or LCD television. I dislike how they display images. I have been spoiled by my plasma. I hope we can find some old stock on a 2014 model or 2013 model NEW 52" plasma. And then maybe I'll be lucky enough for the new plasma to out last me. :)
 
Last edited:

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Tablet
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Nokia Lumia 2520
    CPU
    Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 800
    Memory
    2GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    10.1"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    32GB SSD
    Case
    Asus Case
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wedge Keyboard
    Mouse
    Bornd Bluetooth Mouse
    Browser
    IE 11
Am I the only one missing CRTs ? My last one was a big Sony Trinitron and while it was obviously a pain to move, I still miss it... Great contrast, and color rendition, true black and of course no problem watching it from any angle.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 (x64)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1 Pro X64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer T690
    CPU
    Intel Pentium D Dual Core
    Motherboard
    Acer/Intel E946GZ
    Memory
    2GB (max upgrade)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 - PCI Express x16
    Sound Card
    Integrated RealTek ALC888 high-definition audio with 7.1 channel audio support
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer AL1917W A LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1440 X 900
    Hard Drives
    350 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
    Thumb drives
    PSU
    Standard 250 watt
    Case
    Desktop 7.2" (183mm) W x 17.5" (445mm) L x 14.5"
    Cooling
    Dual case fans + CPU fan
    Keyboard
    Acer Windows PS/2
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft Arc
    Internet Speed
    54mbp/s
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Office Pro 2013 / Nokia Lumia 1520 Windows Phone 8.1DP GDR1
Actually tubes produce much more linear power and amplification than most solid state amplifiers are capable of. :)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer V3 771G-6443
    CPU
    i5-3230m
    Motherboard
    Acer VA70_HC (U3E1)
    Memory
    8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 (800 MHz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    HD4000 + GeForce GT 730M
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" Generic PnP Display on Intel HD Graphics 4000
    Screen Resolution
    1600x900 pixels
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250 GB
    ADATA SSD SP900 128GB
    PSU
    90 watt brick
    Mouse
    Bluetooth
    Antivirus
    Comodo
    Other Info
    Asus RT-AC56R dual-band WRT router (Merlin firmware). Intel 7260.HMWWB.R dual-band ac wireless adapter.
Am I the only one missing CRTs ? My last one was a big Sony Trinitron and while it was obviously a pain to move, I still miss it... Great contrast, and color rendition, true black and of course no problem watching it from any angle.

I loved how they scorched my retinas. :p
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer V3 771G-6443
    CPU
    i5-3230m
    Motherboard
    Acer VA70_HC (U3E1)
    Memory
    8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 (800 MHz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    HD4000 + GeForce GT 730M
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" Generic PnP Display on Intel HD Graphics 4000
    Screen Resolution
    1600x900 pixels
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250 GB
    ADATA SSD SP900 128GB
    PSU
    90 watt brick
    Mouse
    Bluetooth
    Antivirus
    Comodo
    Other Info
    Asus RT-AC56R dual-band WRT router (Merlin firmware). Intel 7260.HMWWB.R dual-band ac wireless adapter.
Actually tubes produce much more linear power and amplification than most solid state amplifiers are capable of. :)

Yes, I forgot decibels. You should have heard Zep 1st tour. Talk about loud! :cool:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1 Pro X64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer T690
    CPU
    Intel Pentium D Dual Core
    Motherboard
    Acer/Intel E946GZ
    Memory
    2GB (max upgrade)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 - PCI Express x16
    Sound Card
    Integrated RealTek ALC888 high-definition audio with 7.1 channel audio support
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer AL1917W A LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1440 X 900
    Hard Drives
    350 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
    Thumb drives
    PSU
    Standard 250 watt
    Case
    Desktop 7.2" (183mm) W x 17.5" (445mm) L x 14.5"
    Cooling
    Dual case fans + CPU fan
    Keyboard
    Acer Windows PS/2
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft Arc
    Internet Speed
    54mbp/s
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Office Pro 2013 / Nokia Lumia 1520 Windows Phone 8.1DP GDR1

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer V3 771G-6443
    CPU
    i5-3230m
    Motherboard
    Acer VA70_HC (U3E1)
    Memory
    8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 (800 MHz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    HD4000 + GeForce GT 730M
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" Generic PnP Display on Intel HD Graphics 4000
    Screen Resolution
    1600x900 pixels
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250 GB
    ADATA SSD SP900 128GB
    PSU
    90 watt brick
    Mouse
    Bluetooth
    Antivirus
    Comodo
    Other Info
    Asus RT-AC56R dual-band WRT router (Merlin firmware). Intel 7260.HMWWB.R dual-band ac wireless adapter.

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1 Pro X64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer T690
    CPU
    Intel Pentium D Dual Core
    Motherboard
    Acer/Intel E946GZ
    Memory
    2GB (max upgrade)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 - PCI Express x16
    Sound Card
    Integrated RealTek ALC888 high-definition audio with 7.1 channel audio support
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer AL1917W A LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1440 X 900
    Hard Drives
    350 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
    Thumb drives
    PSU
    Standard 250 watt
    Case
    Desktop 7.2" (183mm) W x 17.5" (445mm) L x 14.5"
    Cooling
    Dual case fans + CPU fan
    Keyboard
    Acer Windows PS/2
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft Arc
    Internet Speed
    54mbp/s
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Office Pro 2013 / Nokia Lumia 1520 Windows Phone 8.1DP GDR1
Hi there

We've gone off topic here - but consider an ANALOG signal is what our ears hear -- a DIGITAL signal can only approximate via complex Fourier Analysis the representation of a load of sine waves which is what we hear. The better the Digital to Analog converter in the audio equipment (the DAC) the better the end sound that will be presented to the speakers will be (speakers are another issue).

In theory a perfect analog recorder will by MILES beat any Digital device - but to build a perfect analog recorder isn't a simple matter especially as recordings are based on mechanical movements of the recording media (stylus etc).

With video it's the same - an anlog signal has an INFINITE number of variations between perfect Black and Perfect white. Digital video signals even at HD quality have a TINY amount of pixels compared to the analog variations. The eye though isn't as good at discerning this as good as the ear in hearing analog signals.

Fourier analysis and DAC's are far beyond the scope of the post - but suffice it to say a big weakness in any digital photography is to get really great Black and White prints !!!!

People who like Vinyl recordings aren't always speaking a load of B/S. !!!!

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 X LG 40 inch TV
    Hard Drives
    SSD's * 3 (Samsung 840 series) 250 GB
    2 X 3 TB sata
    5 X 1 TB sata
    Internet Speed
    0.12 GB/s (120Mb/s)
Eh resolution isnt everything. Id rather have a good GTG response time and nice color contrast.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 4790k @ 4.6 GHz
    Motherboard
    MSI Z97 U3 Plus
    Memory
    8 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon R9 285 (2 GB GDDR5), and Intel HD 4600
    Sound Card
    Integrated HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VW246H 24.6 inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 (natve)
    Hard Drives
    512 GB Crucial SSD (SATA-III)
    PSU
    800W NZXT PP-800
    Case
    CoolerMaster HAF 932 Advanced Edition (Steel fulltower)
    Cooling
    Liqtech 240
    Keyboard
    Razer Lycosa
    Mouse
    Logitech G35
    Internet Speed
    11 Mbps download
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    AVG free (and common sense :P)
>>Originally Posted by oneeyed
Am I the only one missing CRTs ?<<

Ahh, yes. I used to have a HUGE CRT monitor..Trinitron. I forget the size..maybe 27".?? It's been so long since I thought about that thing.

I got it from Craiglist in 2005 for FREE. I got a hernia getting it into the car. But, it was GREAT for gaming!

And I moved 3 different times and each time a HERNIA moving the blasted thing. It was HEAVY!!

Don't miss it at all...LOL..
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Tablet
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Nokia Lumia 2520
    CPU
    Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 800
    Memory
    2GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    10.1"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    32GB SSD
    Case
    Asus Case
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wedge Keyboard
    Mouse
    Bornd Bluetooth Mouse
    Browser
    IE 11
Back
Top