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My first days with a Windows 8 phone

  1. #21


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    It's a bit of a pita though. If they would provide an imaging facility instead, I would not worry about malware. The backup facility to the cloud they have is a joke. I have a 32GB SD card and want my full system images there. The data on the SD card I don't care. That is backed up anyhow via my desktop.

    I do imaging like that on my Asus Transformer which is 8.1 and it works perfectly. Of course there I have a USB3 port and a micro USB2 port from where I can start the recovery program. They should put at least 1 micro USB port into the device.

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  2. #22


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Trip report to the bakery in Yalahla


    Today I took the 521 for the first time on the road - to buy bread at a bakery 65 miles away. Besides bread they have real yummy pastry on which we also stocked up. They also have a small farmers market where you can buy tomatos that taste like tomatos.

    Upon arrival we were greeted by outdoor music for a huge crowd of people that were having lunch on outdoor tables. We joined them with a nice helping of bratwurst, potato salad, sauerkraut and a Laugenweckle ( I think you call it pretzel roll).

    Only the wife had been there before with a friend driving her. So the navigation skills of the Lumia 521 were required because it is a bit tricky to get there. The Lumia and Here+ did a beautiful job. We always knew where we were, it told us the distance to the next turn, warned us of speed restrictions and all of that on a very crisp picture on the screen that even I could read (with sunglasses) which is quite an accomplishment for my poor eyes. And the voice guidance was perfect too.

    For planning the trip back I thought I needed the WiFi for the initial settings. But nobody in the bakery knew the password for their WiFi - I guess they are bakers and no IT specialists. To my great surprise though I discovered that it was possible to set the directions without WiFi - only with the help of GPS and the Florida map that I had downloaded a couple of days ago. So getting back home was a breeze too.

    The only time Here+ was coughing was when we left our development and did not take the proposed route because we know the shortcuts better than the navigation program. But thing went back in line as soon as we got to the main road. In summary I am very pleased and this is one up for W8P over Android where the navigation programs are good too, but not that good.
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  3. #23


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    You should also check out the Here City Lens
    That has come in handy more than a few times and the way it works is pretty sweet too.
    Works best when you are on a street and can stay still for a short time to see what is down the street.

    As for backing up things to the cloud, I have not had any issues with that.
    Pictures, Doc's, OneNote, no problems at all.

    I love that I can work on OneNote on any of my PC's,
    walk away and have it on my phone or vice versa with no extra anything to do at all. It just synchs, done, move along.

    What is not working with Cloud Backup?
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  4. #24


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    The city lens I have looked at. That's neat.

    For starters I don't want a cloud backup. No cloud for me. And then it does not backup the whole system - as I understand it. I am not worried about my data. That's all duplicates from other systems and backed up many times. I only want the full system backed up - either to one of my PCs or the resident MicroSD card.
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  5. #25


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    Correct, there is no full system imaging of a WP.
    There is no need for it that I understand.
    Since Malware/viruses are basically nill, and apps can't affect other parts of the system in negative ways
    It's a pretty ingenious system, to a degree.
    You will never need to do a full system restore. or the reasons are so small that it is almost nill.

    Apps can crash, but they don't affect the whole system. Only that App crashes.
    The system has almost no chance of getting corrupted. Except through a possible update
    From all that have been sent out, I have not ever had an issue with that.
    The last one was GDR3 from MS and Black from Nokia.
    Both of those went without an issue.
    GDR2 and Amber before that,, no issues.

    Corrupting a Windows Phone is not an easy thing to do, that I know of.

    That does pose a few limitations on cross app sharing,
    but we will have to wait and see how future apps can be developed around that idea.

    I will say that what is lacking is the ability to back up App Data.
    This is a problem on the WP.
    I don't know if Developers can institute something into their apps that might give you the
    option to upload/download some kind of non-executable data file to wherever you wish (PC, SD Card, Cloud service, etc)

    I was very anti-Cloud, but I am relaxing to certain circumstances.
    I don't put personal info out there. But other info and data, some pictures etc doesn't bother me.

    It's akin to email anyway, email IS a cloud service since day one. And think about how much personal data we all have
    floating around in that system. So, really, it's not that much different.

    Yeah, some things are still missing. But they may (hopefully) change this year.
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  6. #26


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Well, it is reassuring that WP is prettu secure. But I am still a bit leary that things can go wrong. In my 53 years with IT I have learned that things go wrong when you least expect it. I have been around operating systems since the first days - when they were still called IOS and seen them in all their colors as an OS developer.

    But maybe you are right and I should not worry about it. If the thing goes on the blink, I just get a new one. It just challenges my professional ego if I cannot control the course of action.
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  7. #27


    @ whs

    Thumbs up on the trip and navigation.

    No USB port? I’m surprised. How does it charge?

    I believe anything sent to MS cloud is encrypted if that’s any consolation.

    No need for imaging really. There’s soft and hard resets. It’s like refreshing a PC.
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  8. #28


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    HG, It does have a mini USB port for charging and you can attach it to the PC as an external device and work the files. But I doubt that attaching e.g. a stick with an OTG cable would do anything. There is no facilitu to access the stick and there is probably also no power for the stick.

    I have to look for the reset options. Did not see anything in the 521 manual but maybe I should get myself a Windows 8 Phone manual.

    Yeah, the trip was a full success - both for the chow and for the navigation. I was really amazed how well the little guy performed. I was already spoiled by my Nexus, but this one was even better.
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  9. #29


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I do imaging like that on my Asus Transformer which is 8.1 and it works perfectly. Of course there I have a USB3 port and a micro USB2 port from where I can start the recovery program. They should put at least 1 micro USB port into the device.
    You mention here it didn’t have one or am I misunderstanding something?

    Brink has and is building a tutorial section here:

    Windows 8 Tutorials

    If you have an MS account, sign in (or not) here at the Windows Phone site. The “How-to” link is very informational.

    The Smartphone Reinvented Around You | Windows Phone (United States)
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  10. #30


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    No you did not misunderstand. I differentiate a micro USB port for charging and one where I can attach devices and execute programs or import data.

    I know this tutorial section. There are even a couple of my tutorials in there.

    I have an MS account. I will check out this site, thanks.
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