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Issues with USB Devices

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedl View Post
    Indeed, Wolfgang, even so, the action of removing a USB stick in the proper manner (or "safely") does not make the action of doing so "crap" as Avalon alleged.
    Agree, it is always prudent to follow "standard procedures". My point was that if you know how this stuff works, you can live without the "safely remove" - at least for now. I suppose that Avalon was implying the same thing.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mikedl View Post
    Indeed, Wolfgang, even so, the action of removing a USB stick in the proper manner (or "safely") does not make the action of doing so "crap" as Avalon alleged.
    Agree, it is always prudent to follow "standard procedures". My point was that if you know how this stuff works, you can live without the "safely remove" - at least for now. I suppose that Avalon was implying the same thing.
    When I have an important meeting, the last thing I have on my mind is "removing the USB stick (or drive) unsafely is crap."
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  3. #13


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    Okay, well... I'll let you know when I have issues with a USB. I have about 10 of them all containing critical files... No problems yet.
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  4. #14


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    I never said you had issues but when one is in a mission critical situation with thousands of dollars on the line, it's better to be safe than sorry.

    That's all. It's not "crap."
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedl View Post
    I never said you had issues but when one is in a mission critical situation with thousands of dollars on the line, it's better to be safe than sorry.

    That's all. It's not "crap."
    Well what does it actually do then? Ejecting a USB 'safely', I mean.
    As far as I am aware, the only major concern is doing a major write to a USB and removing it too quickly, as the operating system writes files to the memory cache then transfers them in the background. I can't imagine reading files would be much of an issue?
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  6. #16


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    Indeed, Avalon, there are times wherein it is perfectly acceptable to yank a USB drive (or stick) but I'd rather not chance it when it's a mission critical situation.

    How long do you want to argue about this?

    The practice of removing a USB drive (or stick) "safely" is not "crap" no matter how much you might believe it to be so.

    I know all of the particulars, Avalon, regarding read and write caches and USB devices.
    I have yet to get burned because I take precautions in situations wherein thousands of dollars are on the line and an hour retrieving a file that didn't get correctly copied when I was in a hurry could mean losing an account.

    Certainly, there are now better ways of transporting media (such as the cloud) but not all of my clients are tuned into those alternatives.
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  7. #17


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    I didn't think it was an argument... I just thought it was a civil discussion. Heh.

    I've been reading up on the subject, and it would make sense when you are writing files, for sure, as it is extremely important the cache is emptied and data is finished being written. The last thing you would need is header data, pointers, and even the data files themselves being written incorrectly. As far as I can tell when reading files, it's not necessarily as important, but may cause issues when connecting to the same operating system in the future.
    In fact, Windows has a built in scanner that checks pointers and sectors upon connect, and I believe that if there are no actual errors there won't be a problem.

    It probably wouldn't make much difference to me if I removed them 'safely' or not, as often I will leave USB's plugged in for an hour after they have 'finished copying', so I've never really experienced issues.

    As far as the cloud goes, I've been having a look into alternatives to USB's, such as Google Docs and Office Live, and other more direct options like Dropbox, etc., but haven't quite found something that really 'clicks' with me, yet, if you get what I mean.

    Anyway, I think we have deviated from the original topic. :P
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  8. #18


    USB ports gets corrupted also, and this relates to corrupt drivers or dlls. As for actively writing to the USB devices obviously you can't pull them out mid way. USB devices are always active when they are connected, pulling them out at any point without safe remove first always carry risks.
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by aem View Post
    USB devices are always active when they are connected, pulling them out at any point without safe remove first always carry risks.
    Whilst that is true, how long before the USB stops exchanging critical cached data fragments (including headers and sectors)? Surely with the USB power saving modes built into Windows this wouldn't be such an issue?
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  10. #20


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    Just keep pulling your sticks willy-nilly, Avalon, and I hope you have no issues ever ... really.

    For those of us who desire to "safely" remove a USB in the intended manner, don't tell us it's "crap," OK?
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