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Will the tablet replace the PC

  1. #51


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    "Smart House" needs it's own dedicated unit, not sharing it with one that dwells there. Besides we're not speaking of a whole lot of computing power with this.
    Why can't one device be versatile and powerful, and support the needs of the entire house? Your view of not requiring a 'whole lot of computing power' shows that you are thinking within a very small square. As AI technology improves, the requirements for computing capacity will also increase. We are not talking super-computer status, but probably a bit more than is available to a tablet.

    Why should we have an intelligent fridge that orders products when stocks get low? Why not have a central system that monitors everything and makes determinations based on wider factors, such as:

    • The family being on holidays for two weeks, so that milk that has just gone off in the fridge doesn't need to be replenished a week and a half before the family gets back.
    • There's no need to feed the dogs because the family took them on holidays.
    • There is no need to water the garden because it's been unseasonably wet while the family is on holidays.
    • etc


    Sorry, that's all just a load of science fiction crap, isn't it?

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  2. #52


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I'm not sure how a tablet can suddenly go from mild to wild just by attaching it to a docking station, unless you mean the docking station has additional hardware that enhances performance. What you then talking about is having a desktop PC to which your tablet attaches.

    That's really no different to having a dedicated PC.
    Well you see... I currently own three PC's. Two regular Desktop ones with one being my workhorse attached to three Monitors and an entertaining System attached to a TV and as of recently a Surface PRO ( next to my iPhone )

    Something that has always been bothering me is the fact that no matter the effort, these 3 systems will never be 100% synchronized because after all, they're 3 different systems. So after a long night on the web and with lots of new content saved onto the HDD's of the entertaining System I'll have to do a backup to the others if I'd like to enjoy the new content on them as well.

    Call me lazy but it's a platinum annoyance.

    Solution? Instead of using three why not just use one system!
    Problem 1? The Workhorse System has a total weight of ~60kg so mobility is not given unless you're related to the Hulk and wear your Big Tower on a wrist wrap,the Car Batteries in your Bag pack and the 20kg Wacom 24HD Touch being your Touchscreen.
    Problem 2? The Mobile System, while sufficient for light gaming, will pale when confronted with more elaborated tasks like 3D Rendering, Crysis Gaming, etc...

    So unless Technology manages to cram the Horsepower of my Workhorse System into the Form factor of my Mobile System I do not see another viable solution than partially splitting up the hardware of the system keeping the bare necessary mobile while leaving the horsepower at home for when it's really needed.

    Solution? A Mobile Core System that Physically connects to a Dock equipped with upgradable additional Hardware necessary to perform high performance tasks like NextGen Gaming.
    Case 1: Don't feel like sitting in front of your Workplace? Take the Tablet with you on the couch and while within reach of your WiFi still access large files like HD Movie Content through streaming.
    Case 2: Suddenly realized you're late for a meeting but forgot to transfer an important file from the external HDD's onto the Tablet? Access the Dock System through the Local open WiFi Network or, if not available, the Telephone Network.

    With the current technology limitations a system like this you are, within reason, always connected to all your files and will have to familiarize yourself with only one system getting the best of 2 worlds.

    For the moment I see this as the optimal solution but, like always, that's just my personal opinion.
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  3. #53


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    "Smart House" needs it's own dedicated unit, not sharing it with one that dwells there. Besides we're not speaking of a whole lot of computing power with this.
    Why can't one device be versatile and powerful, and support the needs of the entire house? Your view of not requiring a 'whole lot of computing power' shows that you are thinking within a very small square. As AI technology improves, the requirements for computing capacity will also increase. We are not talking super-computer status, but probably a bit more than is available to a tablet.

    Why should we have an intelligent fridge that orders products when stocks get low? Why not have a central system that monitors everything and makes determinations based on wider factors, such as:

    • The family being on holidays for two weeks, so that milk that has just gone off in the fridge doesn't need to be replenished a week and a half before the family gets back.
    • There's no need to feed the dogs because the family took them on holidays.
    • There is no need to water the garden because it's been unseasonably wet while the family is on holidays.
    • etc


    Sorry, that's all just a load of science fiction crap, isn't it?
    No. Science fiction on some of it, but I agree we'll eventually get there. But Ray, we're not building the Boeing 787 here. We're running a house. It doesn't take that much computing power. Besides, each appliance, electrical circuit, thermostat, etc. implemented would have it's own electronics to match a standard computing platform that the main unit could read. It needs to be a dedicated/unshared unit. It could communicate with one's mobile device. Hell, we do a lot of that now.

    BTW, I just helped a friend solder a capacitor on one of the boards of his fridge. Have you ever seen the electronics in a modern side-by-side fridge/freezer with ice maker/dispenser and all the bells and whistles? It's amazing. There's 3 boards that total approximately 16 square inches of electronic board in them.
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  4. #54


    Quote Originally Posted by Durahl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I'm not sure how a tablet can suddenly go from mild to wild just by attaching it to a docking station, unless you mean the docking station has additional hardware that enhances performance. What you then talking about is having a desktop PC to which your tablet attaches.

    That's really no different to having a dedicated PC.
    Well you see... I currently own three PC's. Two regular Desktop ones with one being my workhorse attached to three Monitors and an entertaining System attached to a TV and as of recently a Surface PRO ( next to my iPhone )

    Something that has always been bothering me is the fact that no matter the effort, these 3 systems will never be 100% synchronized because after all, they're 3 different systems. So after a long night on the web and with lots of new content saved onto the HDD's of the entertaining System I'll have to do a backup to the others if I'd like to enjoy the new content on them as well.

    Call me lazy but it's a platinum annoyance.

    Solution? Instead of using three why not just use one system!
    Problem 1? The Workhorse System has a total weight of ~60kg so mobility is not given unless you're related to the Hulk and wear your Big Tower on a wrist wrap,the Car Batteries in your Bag pack and the 20kg Wacom 24HD Touch being your Touchscreen.
    Problem 2? The Mobile System, while sufficient for light gaming, will pale when confronted with more elaborated tasks like 3D Rendering, Crysis Gaming, etc...

    So unless Technology manages to cram the Horsepower of my Workhorse System into the Form factor of my Mobile System I do not see another viable solution than partially splitting up the hardware of the system keeping the bare necessary mobile while leaving the horsepower at home for when it's really needed.

    Solution? A Mobile Core System that Physically connects to a Dock equipped with upgradable additional Hardware necessary to perform high performance tasks like NextGen Gaming.
    Case 1: Don't feel like sitting in front of your Workplace? Take the Tablet with you on the couch and while within reach of your WiFi still access large files like HD Movie Content through streaming.
    Case 2: Suddenly realized you're late for a meeting but forgot to transfer an important file from the external HDD's onto the Tablet? Access the Dock System through the Local open WiFi Network or, if not available, the Telephone Network.

    With the current technology limitations a system like this you are, within reason, always connected to all your files and will have to familiarize yourself with only one system getting the best of 2 worlds.

    For the moment I see this as the optimal solution but, like always, that's just my personal opinion.
    Yes, and one needs an OS that runs across multiple devices such as 8 to accomplish this.
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  5. #55


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    [QUOTE=Ray8;220878]
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Is not speaking of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Those who need desktop capability, will most likely have a desktop attached to their peripherals, rather than have what is ostensibly half a desktop waiting for the other half. Those who eschew large desktops, have the choice of much smaller footprints if they wish, for example:

    Attachment 20100
    I fully understand what he was referring to; however, why have two disparate pieces of hardware that require to be joined to become a functional device? Note also the complexity of such devices, you will be locked into the specific manufacturer for tablet and docking station. Also, see response below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    What's the point of having a miniITX based desktop when right now and in a few years from now, tablet PCs will have similar processing power with increased energy efficiency? Why keep a separate stationary desktop box (especially since the AIO form factor is more likely than anything to be further developed upon hardware wise, let alone the fact that's what would be more desirable to an average consumer) when a tablet PC has very good processing power as it is; then increased with external processing hardware? Only if you need heavy graphical processing, a desktop is the way to go. But if you're doing more common tasks with an occasional intensive task, that's not economically worth it let alone worth having the two separate PCs.
    And anything that you can cram into a tablet, you can cram even moreso into a dedicated mini-PC.

    However, if you want to talk about future capability, how about a mini PC (or whatever) that is permanently connected and monitoring activities in your home and abroad? If you have to connect your tablet to the docking station to attain a functional PC, then the docking station etc are devices with no functional capability in the meantime.

    When we start to talk about connected homes, there has to be a resident PC or the like providing that permanent connection. It can't be your tablet that's in your backpack or whatever when away from home. That computer sitting at home may be programmed to undertake many functions, set the household temperature, monitor garden watering systems, security, feed the dogs, take a messages from doorknockers etc and provide you with an alert, and any number of other tasks.

    Also, what if you have numerous family members that need a computer, are you now locked into buying every member the exact same device to ensure compatibility with the docking station? What if the manufacturer changes the design, suddenly your docking station won't work with the new devices (though no manufacturer would do that). What if another manufacturer comes out with something really special by way of a tablet, but it's not compatible with your docking station? Your docking station breaks, but they don't make that model anymore, because they only make ones for the new design. Oh, well.
    You can have one piece of the system be fully functional.... There are such things for the mac desktops where they have external graphics cards to supplement the mac's in box cards as you can't upgrade them easily. The Razer gaming tablet has the same thing with an external graphics card that can get docked into the tablet to supplement the tablet's NVIDIA M series card. There are other laptops that have a dedicated graphics card that gets activated when connected to the power main, and then switch back to integrated Intel graphics.

    Also, as much as you can cram into a little box, it's not going to be as powerful as an ATX tower. Nope, not in the slightest. Even then, if someone has a tablet PC with an NVIDIA M card and is totally fine with it, why even have a separate desktop? Seems like a redundant device to have especially if you don't have a home automation system going. If you have multiple people in a family that needs a computer, OK, an AIO PC would be fine and would be more desirable than having a box to connect several cables to. There probably won't be a setup in a home automation system with a dedicated PC somewhere, they generally tend to have that controlled by a main system somewhere in the house (if that's a PC then it's probably not going to be used for Word most likely) or some kind of built in motherboard behind a touch panel, which is all controlled by a smartphone or a tablet remotely.

    The likelihood of a dock on a tablet changing is there, but isn't so much if you buy a different brand of tablet PC, and really is diminished if you don't even need the external addons. You're not getting the concept there, the dock is meant to be used connected to a power main when you are at a desk at a certain time of day. The tablet functions normal regardless of it, it is not a necessity. The tablet will be mobile on battery power for the majority of the time it's being used, as not many people in the consumer space care for a desktop. That's why laptops are so popular and have been and will continue for some time, and that's why tablets are to outsell laptops within five or so years.
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  6. #56


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Durahl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I'm not sure how a tablet can suddenly go from mild to wild just by attaching it to a docking station, unless you mean the docking station has additional hardware that enhances performance. What you then talking about is having a desktop PC to which your tablet attaches.

    That's really no different to having a dedicated PC.
    Well you see... I currently own three PC's. Two regular Desktop ones with one being my workhorse attached to three Monitors and an entertaining System attached to a TV and as of recently a Surface PRO ( next to my iPhone )

    Something that has always been bothering me is the fact that no matter the effort, these 3 systems will never be 100% synchronized because after all, they're 3 different systems. So after a long night on the web and with lots of new content saved onto the HDD's of the entertaining System I'll have to do a backup to the others if I'd like to enjoy the new content on them as well.

    Call me lazy but it's a platinum annoyance.

    Solution? Instead of using three why not just use one system!
    Problem 1? The Workhorse System has a total weight of ~60kg so mobility is not given unless you're related to the Hulk and wear your Big Tower on a wrist wrap,the Car Batteries in your Bag pack and the 20kg Wacom 24HD Touch being your Touchscreen.
    Problem 2? The Mobile System, while sufficient for light gaming, will pale when confronted with more elaborated tasks like 3D Rendering, Crysis Gaming, etc...

    So unless Technology manages to cram the Horsepower of my Workhorse System into the Form factor of my Mobile System I do not see another viable solution than partially splitting up the hardware of the system keeping the bare necessary mobile while leaving the horsepower at home for when it's really needed.

    Solution? A Mobile Core System that Physically connects to a Dock equipped with upgradable additional Hardware necessary to perform high performance tasks like NextGen Gaming.
    Case 1: Don't feel like sitting in front of your Workplace? Take the Tablet with you on the couch and while within reach of your WiFi still access large files like HD Movie Content through streaming.
    Case 2: Suddenly realized you're late for a meeting but forgot to transfer an important file from the external HDD's onto the Tablet? Access the Dock System through the Local open WiFi Network or, if not available, the Telephone Network.

    With the current technology limitations a system like this you are, within reason, always connected to all your files and will have to familiarize yourself with only one system getting the best of 2 worlds.

    For the moment I see this as the optimal solution but, like always, that's just my personal opinion.
    Yes, and one needs an OS that runs across multiple devices such as 8 to accomplish this.
    But reading carefully seems we don't have the hardware for this yet.

    Full portability and power in the same device doesn't exist.

    That's why we keep the rendering and heavy gaming at home.

    No matter how performant and small things get, electrical resistance will heat things up. (they already try to reduce this as good as possible in the latest CPU's and boards but there are always limits)
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  7. #57


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    With all the things people have on their wish list for a "powerful" tablet, a new device have emerged.... The Slab.
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  8. #58


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    My Android tab is a valuable addition to my computing 'stable'.

    But it will not, and cannot, replace my desktop-replacement 'mega-laptop (which will be
    replaced with another mega-laptop or a home-built desktop when the time arrives).

    Not even a Surface pro comes close to doing so.

    I also have no need or desire to have them synced, nor do they need to use the
    same OS, as they are used for completely different purposes.

    If that's what floats your boat, that's all good by me. Just stop trying to sink my boat!


    Wenda.
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  9. #59


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    Hi Peeps
    Think of what the O/P is actually ASKING.

    "Can a tablet REPLACE a PC". Not "Can it do some things a PC can do" or can you manage without a PC . There's obviously only one answer to this -- NO.

    (By tablet we mean those devices that users perceive as a tablet -- once you start adding external devices and keyboards or even PC type docking stations then that by definition is PC rather than tablet -- the surface pro essentially falls into that category - it's not a conventional tablet in the sense of the word).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #60


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    Definitely NO.

    As a structural designer using PDS Frameworks, Bentley Structural Modeler, Microstation & AutoCad for 2D & 3D applications, we are relying on physical pen and mouse to accurately interface with what we see on the screen. Although some tablets are capable of this, there is no way it can handle the job I am doing.


    just some sample of the work I do:

    Surface Structures

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    Underground structures

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    terrains and ground contours/slopes

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