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Looking at using SSD as boot drive with HDD as data drive

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    I think most of your comments are better directed to the OP--who says he wants to do an ssd/hd combo and that he likes the hybrid idea. So, I'll ignore those--except to say that I believe my comments on these matters are reasonable in the light of his first post.

    I could have been more careful about seconding his double the RAM idea--without knowing more about the heaviness of the tasks he has in mind. Still, there is no doubt that some "experts" will argue for 12 or more GB of RAM depending on the tasks to be performed. I will leave it to the experts. While a little loose, I don't think I am far off base in saying "if you are serious about performance on demanding tasks, then more RAM is an absolute necessity." The idea I was getting at is that one doesn't want to come up short in the RAM department when doing a demanding task--where performance matters to you. In this regard, you might choose to over-RAM to be on the safe side. Maybe I should have said "if you are serious about performance on demanding tasks, then having exactly the right amount of RAM is an absolute necessity." Unfortunately, posting, as we do, does not always result in manuscript quality narrations.
    Hi there
    I'm running at times on a laptop !! 2 concurrent VM's running SAP evaluation and testing software (what used to be known as Minisap - now netweaver abap trial), one on W7 X-64 testing 64 bit version of SAP software and and another on W2003 server testing the 32 bit version of the software with no performance hit on the laptop with 8GB of RAM (16 in this case would be better) but if you aren't running VM's I still maintain that a home user would be hard pushed to it to find applications where they really would need 16 GB of RAM --I asked for some examples of where they would use this extra RAM --so far nobody has actually answered that question. (Those SAP systems have quite large DB's too even in DEMO / Trial mode.)


    SAP if you want to try and learn a bit yourself can be trialled (FREE) from here
    SAP NetWeaver Main Release Downloads

    Note It's not for the fainthearted - but those contractors seem to get paid a FORTUNE so might be interesting learning about this stuff -- but its NOT EASY and documentation when it does exist is CLASSICALLY TERRIBLE. !!

    The consensus here on this thread that for most people the best thing you can do is to get an SSD. Computers these days usually have enough RAM in them --Lack of RAM is unlikely for typical users to be a bottleneck but poor disks definitely WII BE.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #12


    My personal list of upgrade priorities (this assumes a lot, though)

    1. SSD to boot and run Windows and most often used apps
    2. Good video card (depends on user needs)
    3. At least 4Gb of RAM, more is better up to 8, then diminishing returns for most people
    4. Big, fast hard drive to store data (7200rpm or more, 64MB cache)
    5. High quality power supply
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    1. I still maintain that a home user would be hard pushed to it to find applications where they really would need 16 GB of RAM --I asked for some examples of where they would use this extra RAM --so far nobody has actually answered that question. (Those SAP systems have quite large DB's too even in DEMO / Trial mode.)

    2. The consensus here on this thread that for most people the best thing you can do is to get an SSD. Computers these days usually have enough RAM in them --Lack of RAM is unlikely for typical users to be a bottleneck but poor disks definitely WII BE.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    1. I have found some references through searches. I am not providing them. I don't want to argue about their validity. You could search for such references, and see/let us know what you think.

    2. The OP's posts don't mention wanting to get an SSD by itself. I am not sure what the consensus you mention has to do with the OP. And, actually, I don't see anything here I would call a consensus up to your post. For example some extolled the virtues of SSD's while ignoring the OP's apparent desire to combine speed (SSD for Win installation) and adequate storage/space for apps (HD). And, another talked about the excellent performance of his system while having an SSD for Win/Applications and an HD for storage--which is similar what the OP mentioned thinking of getting in his first post--drive-wise. I believe that, other things equal, an SSD is preferable to an HD provided it has adequate storage at a price I consider to be reasonable enough. I could easily live with an SSD/HD combo as mentioned by the OP and by another poster--provided that I could not get a large enough SSD for a price that is satisfactory considering the alternative. Similarly, I could easily live with a hybrid. And, yes, computers often come with enough RAM for many, many users these days even if not upgraded via customization.
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    The only issue I have going with just an SSD is that I have a ton of games...so even a 256GB SSD might not be enough for the Windows install, plus programs (Office, Photoshop, etc) and then all my games. Ideally, I could get a big enough SSD to do that, but it's much more likely that I will need to have a second drive (HDD) for running my games off of.

    The hybrid drives are interesting, and something I plan to take more of a look into. My main question was just if I would actually see any performance gain using a SSD for Windows if I were still running my programs and games from a 7200 RPM 32MB cache HDD.
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    Probably minimal performance increase WRT programs installed on HD. But, certainly, there would be gains from having Win8 on SSD--performance gains WRT booting and accessing SSD for post-boot Win8 operations in some cases.
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  6. #16


    I put the OS and my most-often-used apps on the SSD, things like Office 2013, etc... Programs that I only use once-in-awhile are stored on the 2TB WD Caviar Black drive. My system is very speedy!!
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    I haven't ran a system with a SSD for OS and some programs/games and other programs/games on a HDD, but have read where others say your OS on a SSD and games on a HDD does improve the game performance, which makes sense as the OS is running faster.

    You should put your most used games on the SSD.
    All other data, pics, videos, all personal data on the HDD.
    You must have a lot of games to require more than 256GB of space, approximately 200GB of games is a lot of games.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    I haven't ran a system with a SSD for OS and some programs/games and other programs/games on a HDD, but have read where others say your OS on a SSD and games on a HDD does improve the game performance, which makes sense as the OS is running faster.

    You should put your most used games on the SSD.
    All other data, pics, videos, all personal data on the HDD.
    You must have a lot of games to require more than 256GB of space, approximately 200GB of games is a lot of games.
    Well, I have games for my kids (Sims 3 plus all expansions is over 50GBs by itself) and then games for myself. I don't know if I have 200GB worth of games, but I'm sure that I will at some point.
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    Let us know what SSD you decide to get, and how it's performing.
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    If you have a large amount of data it may pay to checkout cache ssd drives by Googleing . The may be just what you require.
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