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Surface Pro is priced aggressively

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    Surface Pro is priced aggressively


    When I first saw the pricing of the Surface Pro I was so happy (still am). Then I read some feedback on the internet and I was so sickened by the comlaints that I am starting this thread.

    First of all let me state why this thing rocks:

    - 3rd gen core i5 + Windows 8 pro. Finally a proper, strong notebook in tablet size.
    - Full hd (1920x1080) display. Considering that it is only 10" this means it is almost at the threshold of the eye's angular resolution. Since this is a powerfull notebook the screen estate will be great for multitasking.
    - Touch screen, nice to have since you can also use this thing as a tablet.
    - Digitizer layer (Wacom I guess). This is a BIG BIG plus, as someone who has used even graphics tablets for taking notes finally this device can be efficiently used for replacing pen and paper altogether. It is also amazing for drawing. people who are familiar with old tablet pcs and graphics tablets know how important and an expensive addition this is.
    - only 2 lbs.


    So basically for the same price instead of purchasing a heavier imac pro with less resolution, no touch input, no Digitizer layer you can get it all in a tablet form.

    There is NOTHING on the market today which compares to this at the price point of 899$ even when you add $100 for the touch cover , NOTHING. This thing fills a huge gap which is caused by dumbfied users (I especially blame Apple for this).

    This is not a tablet, this is a powerful ultrabook in the tablet form. I have seen people complaining about this thing and the only thing they could come up with was that surface pro does not come with keyboard and its stand sucks. Although I agree that the stand sucks and needs to be redesigned for lap use the rest of the argument is simply idiotic. Just being able to hold it in one hand and use it as a tablet or taking notes far greater pros for this device.

    I hope these people are more like the non tech crowd who are satisfied with toyish tablets otherwise I can say that mankind has become quite dumb.

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    I already have a laptop and desktop which provide me with the power user experience that I want.

    I'm not dying for a more powerful tablet with this much functionality, I do simple things with my phone and tablet..so I would rather have long battery life and lower cost.

    I think for a 10 screen, this is too much resolution.

    People don't seem to love Windows 8, not sure a tablet will really sell them on it. People dislike their Windows desktops due to blue screens, viruses, malware, etc. They might not want a tablet which is susceptible to these same issues.

    I know a crap ton of people who want a tablet device for Christmas. Some are getting a nexus 10, others an iPad or iPad mini, some a kindle fire HD, or a nook. But being 100% honest, I don't know of a single person holding out for, or asking for a surface pro. Not 1 single person.

    It may be the far better product, just as Betamax was better than VHS, but if nobody wants it, out perceives it to be a bad value...it won't really matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I already have a laptop and desktop which provide me with the power user experience that I want.

    I'm not dying for a more powerful tablet with this much functionality, I do simple things with my phone and tablet..so I would rather have long battery life and lower cost.

    I think for a 10 screen, this is too much resolution.

    People don't seem to love Windows 8, not sure a tablet will really sell them on it. People dislike their Windows desktops due to blue screens, viruses, malware, etc. They might not want a tablet which is susceptible to these same issues.

    I know a crap ton of people who want a tablet device for Christmas. Some are getting a nexus 10, others an iPad or iPad mini, some a kindle fire HD, or a nook. But being 100% honest, I don't know of a single person holding out for, or asking for a surface pro. Not 1 single person.

    It may be the far better product, just as Betamax was better than VHS, but if nobody wants it, out perceives it to be a bad value...it won't really matter.
    Probably not one single person knows about the Surface Pro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I already have a laptop and desktop which provide me with the power user experience that I want.

    I'm not dying for a more powerful tablet with this much functionality, I do simple things with my phone and tablet..so I would rather have long battery life and lower cost.

    I think for a 10 screen, this is too much resolution.

    People don't seem to love Windows 8, not sure a tablet will really sell them on it. People dislike their Windows desktops due to blue screens, viruses, malware, etc. They might not want a tablet which is susceptible to these same issues.

    I know a crap ton of people who want a tablet device for Christmas. Some are getting a nexus 10, others an iPad or iPad mini, some a kindle fire HD, or a nook. But being 100% honest, I don't know of a single person holding out for, or asking for a surface pro. Not 1 single person.

    It may be the far better product, just as Betamax was better than VHS, but if nobody wants it, out perceives it to be a bad value...it won't really matter.
    Probably not one single person knows about the Surface Pro!
    You can tell yourself that. These people have seen the ads, they have talked with me about it at work..they just don't seem to care. I don't care. I think there will be many like me.
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    I agree, I think it's so stupid and over the top to say the Surface Pro is too expensive. It is literally the specs of an ultrabook, portability of a tablet, power of a Desktop UI, even power of some desktop PCs in one decent form factor.

    To me, I believe people are ragging on the price because of the word TABLET. What is the main stream tablet right now? The ipad. Who did that? apple. What did they do to set the definition and capabilities of a tablet? Took the ipod touch that is running a neutered smartphone OS and multiplied the screen size by a factor of 4. Bam, 500 dollars ipod touch for your grandparents and cat.

    Microsoft has never built a tablet off impotent software, they used Windows x86 to have the power that desktop PCs have into a form factor that you take around with you all day. I prefer powerful processing power and a better array of hardware capabilities versus something I literally owned a few years ago that was later blown up into a larger screen size.

    And even still, if you don't need powerful hardware and need battery life than anything, Surface RT. Same price as an ipad, but better software and hardware. It's a perfect in-between of an ipad like capability and a tradition Windows PC like capability.
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    For many, If it's not an iPad..It's not worth buying. I was outside of the Apple store this past weekend with my family and the place was absolutely jammed packed. People love that stuff.

    I'm not keen on the RT either as I have an internal limit of 400 for a tablet style device. I'd forgo some hardware if I could save 200.

    Many either want the prestigious IPad or a much cheaper alternative like the kindle fire or nexus 7. I'm not convinced people want a more fully featured portable computer with a higher price tag. Only time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I already have a laptop and desktop which provide me with the power user experience that I want.

    I'm not dying for a more powerful tablet with this much functionality, I do simple things with my phone and tablet..so I would rather have long battery life and lower cost.

    I think for a 10 screen, this is too much resolution.

    People don't seem to love Windows 8, not sure a tablet will really sell them on it. People dislike their Windows desktops due to blue screens, viruses, malware, etc. They might not want a tablet which is susceptible to these same issues.

    I know a crap ton of people who want a tablet device for Christmas. Some are getting a nexus 10, others an iPad or iPad mini, some a kindle fire HD, or a nook. But being 100% honest, I don't know of a single person holding out for, or asking for a surface pro. Not 1 single person.

    It may be the far better product, just as Betamax was better than VHS, but if nobody wants it, out perceives it to be a bad value...it won't really matter.
    Probably not one single person knows about the Surface Pro!
    You can tell yourself that. These people have seen the ads, they have talked with me about it at work..they just don't seem to care. I don't care. I think there will be many like me.
    I care, some friends of mine care (ones that are considered "normal" in technological terms), according to a friend that works at Costco, some other people do care, at best buy at the day of Windows 8 and Surface RT's launch, people were asking about as they care. Lots of people in Times Square cared as they waited until midnight to buy one.

    I do really wonder if something is weird with the water over where you're at... Why buy a fashion item at 500 dollars when something else is better for the money, and why buy something that has a screen only three inches bigger than most smartphones? It's like wishing your android or iphone couldn't make calls and can't fit in your pocket.
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    Hi there
    having at one time actually considered a Surface pro (I did test an RT for a while and quite liked it) I've since re-evaluated what I actually would use a tablet for.

    Perhaps when travelling --watching movies / surfing / email using a lighter form factor than a PC however with a nice Ultrabook I have all the power I need and with decent HDMI out I can drive large monitors or even HOTEL LCD TV's.

    I find now that during travelling a smart phone (I use the Samsung Galaxy IIIs) is fine for casual surfing, email and music playing --my phone has an ext 32 GB micro sd card --can get plenty of music / audio books on that even with FLAC), and I've been totally converted to e-readers so I read now rather than watch a movie on the Eurostar when travelling between London and Brussels / Paris or when I'm on a plane.

    The laptop stays in my bag until I get to my hotel.

    With HDMI at full HD out USB3 slots etc I don't really need a tablet at all. There's no way I'm going to be doing Photoshop on a tablet however powerful it is. If I'm making a professional A2 Poster it will need loads of layers and loads and loads of external storage. Tablets fall down on these areas significantly --Not sure how many USB devices you could attach to a surface pro - even with USB hubs - and if you could attach a load of external HDD's to a tablet the battery life would just be terrible.

    If you don't need or use a laptop then a decent tablet might fit the bill but I can't see any need to have BOTH.

    (The laptops I'm talking about here are the Ultrabook type with 11 / 12 / 13 inch - max screen - not the massive 17 inch screen Alienware type --good those may be --hardly portable though)

    The small ultrabooks usually have very good HDMI video out so the internal resolution on its own monitor isn't significant when using an external monitor.

    As for reading for any length of time - an e-reader beats any LCD or backlit device such as an Ipad --especially when viewing in bright sunlight.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    I love my standard kindle ereader. I don't read books on my tablet.
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    I am not a great tablet user. I am not fond/attached to any particular tablet or o/s.

    Seems clear to me ipad is still the consumers No1 choice.

    Nexus 10 is the challenger. Astonishing screen res and performance - an incredible $120 less than the ipad (uk pricing) . High quality safety scratch resistant glass - tough rubberised case- a little slimmer and lighter than ipad. The performance and handling of games got a terrific review in PCPRO.

    Surface RT is an also ran.

    Surface Pro is a different animal. Is there a market for it - perhaps there will be some traction in BYOD - hard to tell if it can supplant ipad. Even if MS have some success there - how big is the BYOD market - miliions probably , hundreds of millions - I am not so sure.
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