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Why bother with Surface Pro when THIS is available CHEAPER

  1. #21


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    I think I'll still bother with the Surface. It has a pressure sensitive stylus, and a design that is most ideal for a tablet PC.

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I think I'll still bother with the Surface. It has a pressure sensitive stylus, and a design that is most ideal for a tablet PC.
    What's that? A rectangle?
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I think I'll still bother with the Surface. It has a pressure sensitive stylus, and a design that is most ideal for a tablet PC.
    What's that? A rectangle?
    Built in kickstand, VERY simple and removable keyboard, and designed durably.
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  4. #24


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    As a business tablet, the Surface certainly doesn't seem to have provided a lot of features.

    It's basically the same size and weight as my Gigabyte (with my attachable keyboard), but I also get 2 x USB ports (one USB3.0 and one USB2.0), an Ethernet port, SD card slot, headphone and microphone port, VGA port, a SIM card slot and volume controls. Plus a thumb mouse and left/right mouse button controls, touch keyboard control, and an up/down scroll button on the bezel. Also available are a mini-PCIE slot, replaceable hard drive and replaceable battery. That's what I call a tablet PC.

    The Gigabyte doesn't have (my version at least, to complete the picture), the screen resolution of the Surface, an i5 processor (only atom N570), two cameras, compass, and 10-point multi-touch. Not sure about pen input, as I can use a stylus on my tablet, so not sure if we're talking about the same thing.

    As for durable, this tablet is attached to the dash of my 4WD when travelling in the mountains on rough trails and has never missed a beat. I do have to take the back cover off now and again to clean all the dust that accumulates inside from our dusty conditions.

    I like the styling of the Surface but it, like many other tablets, lacks a lot features, even if the space is clearly available. Unfortunately, Gigabyte seems to have gone backwards with the later versions of the S10xx series of tablets to accommodate Windows 8, though they have another model S11xx coming out that may be better (no specs yet).
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  5. #25


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    As a business tablet, the Surface certainly doesn't seem to have provided a lot of features.

    It's basically the same size and weight as my Gigabyte (with my attachable keyboard), but I also get 2 x USB ports (one USB3.0 and one USB2.0), an Ethernet port, SD card slot, headphone and microphone port, VGA port, a SIM card slot and volume controls. Plus a thumb mouse and left/right mouse button controls, touch keyboard control, and an up/down scroll button on the bezel. Also available are a mini-PCIE slot, replaceable hard drive and replaceable battery. That's what I call a tablet PC.

    The Gigabyte doesn't have (my version at least, to complete the picture), the screen resolution of the Surface, an i5 processor (only atom N570), two cameras, compass, and 10-point multi-touch. Not sure about pen input, as I can use a stylus on my tablet, so not sure if we're talking about the same thing.

    As for durable, this tablet is attached to the dash of my 4WD when travelling in the mountains on rough trails and has never missed a beat. I do have to take the back cover off now and again to clean all the dust that accumulates inside from our dusty conditions.

    I like the styling of the Surface but it, like many other tablets, lacks a lot features, even if the space is clearly available. Unfortunately, Gigabyte seems to have gone backwards with the later versions of the S10xx series of tablets to accommodate Windows 8, though they have another model S11xx coming out that may be better (no specs yet).
    The thing that the Surface is missing is a SIM card, one USB port, Ethernet (not that it'd be needed) and a VGA port. It has a DisplayPort or mini HDMI, I don't remember. It's not really user serviceable. But that could be changed, not necessarily needed though.
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  6. #26


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    There may be better devices, but some of that is what you are going to do with the device and what form factor (or factors) are important to you. At around $1K for a higher-end unit, it's quite competitive in the cost comparison with both similarly-spec'ed tablets and ultrabooks. I'd agree it isn't going to end up being the best device for everyone, but you could say that about any device, really. However, for someone looking for an ultrabook and tablet replacement, it seems like it makes a run at, at least, being the best device out there for that so far.

    As a traveling consultant who is constantly on the road, I already get away (mostly) with a Surface RT as a primary device, but a Surface Pro would *actually* make it possible to have something that small and that light work for both, so I'm strongly considering acquiring one when they are released.

    To the other questions, it doesn't have a SIM card (Microsoft has said many times the number of users versus the device costs don't make sense, at least at this time - same argument as to why the Surface RT doesn't have one), and it has one USB3 port and a DisplayPort (miniDisplayPort) connector - the Surface RT has connectors for the miniHDMI port to HDMI and VGA, so it would stand to reason they'll probably make the same sorts of connectivity for the miniDisplayPort connector (and I've found, at least with the Surface RT, almost any miniHDMI to <insert connectivity here> conversion attachment works, so I'm going to cautiously say this is likely to be true with the miniDisplayPort connector on the Pro as well). Any USB to Ethernet adapter should work if Ethernet is needed (joining a domain would require it, as might a few other things like wireless APs that require certificates before they'll connect that usually must be acquired over Ethernet via a GPO, etc).
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  7. #27


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    And a kickstand, the Surface tablets have a kickstand.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    it's not about marketing. it's about fulfilling needs. not everything is about bang for the buck. My 17" laptop slaughters most laptops out there. But it weighs a ton and has no battery life. For people that want a touch screen laptop, the Lenovo is good.

    But for people that want a tablet/laptop, 3.5 lbs is 3.5 lbs with no flexibility on the weight issue.

    It's the same reason why a smartphone costs $700-900 (unsubsidized). It's a lot less powerful than a laptop but you're paying for the size. And small and light is not easy to do.
    Half the Surface's asking price is for the Microsoft brand.
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  9. #29


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    Looks nice, but I would not trust that pivoting mechanism.
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  10. #30


    I personally would be happy with a traditional laptop on Windows 8, if it had a larger touchpad that fully supports Windows 8 gestures. I find a good touchpad, such as the Logitech T650, is all the touch I need. Now an Ultra Book with that quality of touchpad, built in, would be the sweet spot IHMO...
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