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Recommend a Win 8 tablet/laptop hybrid for business/web design?

  1. #41

    Yeah, but they coat more than 20 cent cds and are becoming increasingly more difficult to find.

    On our xps14, I have a speedy corsair usb3 key, however the stupid usb ports are right next to each other in the xps14,.and the corsair key is too wide and blocks the second (and only remaining usb port).

    These machines seemed great on paper, but in actuality became a real pain. They only go to execs that travel heavily.

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  2. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ..shall I keep going?
    I call it ultra portability. I don't think the XPS 13 is a good choice for someone who use it as a Desktop replacement, but if you have a desktop and you are often on the road like me, and you use it only few time this is a real good choice if you don't look at the price tag ( in my case it,S less money I give to the Gov at the end of the years, as it's an expenses. ) Other solution will be tablets ( not enough productive at my taste and too small screen )

    Off course in this comment I'm talking about my choice.
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  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post

    A 10.6inch screen might be better for portability, but for actually using it to be productive I gotta say I would want 13 to 15 inches. A co-worker uses a mba11, and the thing is app small it's like trying to work on a Nintendo ds.
    I totally agree - less that 13 inches is just too small to be fully productive.

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  4. #44

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Then a better solution, a Lenovo Yoga. It's 1,000 dollars.
    Lenovo yoga doesn't support pressure sensitive stylus (digitizer)
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  5. #45

    Quote Originally Posted by ship69 View Post

    I am looking for a decent new laptop for business/web design.

    I want something that will run full Windows 8 (although to be honest for the first year or so I will probably only use Windows 7 on it until the worst bugs have been fixed!)

    I need:
    - Form: Latop/tablet hybrid
    - Screen Resolution: 1080p (1920 × 1080) (although perhaps 1600pixels wide would do)
    - Touch: Pressure sensitive (ideally Wacom, ideally stylus built in)
    - Screen: 12.5"+
    - RAM: 8GB
    - SSD: 256GB
    - Processor: Intel (presumably)
    - Weight: 1.5Kg (3.3lbs)
    - Battery: 6+ hours
    - Resume: instant on
    - Must run full Win 8 (and Win 7)
    Budget: GBP 1200 (absolute max)

    I had my previous laptop for 6 years, and I a professional tool to replace it and not leave me still wanting/needing an iPad/tablet.
    1. It will need to run all my windows applications including full msOffice Suite (incl Excel macros etc), Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Xara Designer Pro etc
    2. I want to use finger touch AND as a stylus sensitive device so that I can scribble notes (e.g. during a conference).
    3. Personally I find that I think more clearly at higher resolutions and will be wearing reading spectacles, so the higher the resolution the better (within reason).
    4. Battery must survive at least 6-8 hours so that I can work anywhere.
    5. It needs to be convenient and pretty light to carry (1.5kg max)
    6. I need decent connections including Ethernet.
    7. (Optional: 1080p would be great for watching video in HD...)
    8. (Optional: I love the red nipple/pointing stick on my Lenovo)

    CD/DVD not necessary.

    - Any recommendations? Does such a device actually exist yet?(!)


    P.S. I was thinking about the Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13 hybrid, but the screen is rather low resolution (only 1,600x900)
    I've been doing a lot of research into the available windows 8 devices, and it turns out that many of the specs you want (I wanted them too) are apparently incompatible on the market.

    For example: I can't find a 1920x1080 machine currently on the market with a 6+ hour battery life that also weighs less than 1.5 kilos.

    Just as a sort of crash course,
    The higher the resolution, the greater the drain on battery, the larger (heavier) the battery has to be to have a 6+ hour battery life (no battery life available on the surface pro for comparison purposes yet, although maybe it'll crack this nut)

    Also, SSD is still currently terribly expensive, not quite exponential, but the cost of larger ssd harddrives increases proportionately to the size of the drive. HD screens are also terribly expensive, so finding a 256 ssd computer in your price range that also has an HD screen is basically impossible, add to that your weight plus battery specifications and you're going to have to look up into the clear blue to find this pie, man.

    Finally, some tablet makers are building Wacom digitizers into their machines -- the telltale sign if you can't find it in the specs, is that the machine either comes with digitizer pen or has a one as an availalbe accessory -- if you have any doubts, if the stylus you're looking at costs less than 50 USD, its probably not a digitizer.
    Also, wacom meshes add to the bill of material, so if you want one you'll have to adapt to the idea of paying premium to get it.

    Lastly, 12.5+ inches seems to be incompatible with ultraportable/premium spec machine you have invisioned.

    So here's my best suggestion, based on the job that you do and the specs that you listed.

    You need a machine for business/web design, so that says to me that you're going to want to have a keyboard at hand.

    There is a 1080 p tablet/laptop hybrid with a wacom mesh (digitizer included), that runs full windows 8 on an intel processor with a 256 ssd and 8 gigs of ram available in under 1.5 kilos (1.3, as it were). And, it has a multi SD card slot. Other pluses include 2 USB3.0 ports, ethernet port, full sized hdmi port and vga port, plus front and rear facing 2.4 mp cameras.

    Unfortunately, the screen size is less than 12.5 -- it's 11.6, and the inbuilt battery lasts less than 6 hours (4.75, as it were). Also, you can't store the digitizer pen in the laptop.

    Evidently in you can configure the above machine to come in under 1200 GBP, by hobbling it with a core i3 processor.
    An extended battery brings up the battery life to 10 hours (and gives you a place to put your digitizer pen), but it also increases weight and cost... oh, and the mechanism to convert from tablet to laptop is pretty horrible looking by anyone's standards. And it has no track pad.

    It's the Vaio Duo 11.
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  6. #46

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    Hm.... there must be something in what you say because all the component parts in what I/we seek do seem to exist but nobody seems to have brought them all together in one device yet.

    Re Vaio Duo 11, I'm not sure about that physical design. Your machine hasnt got a trackpad and the trackpoint is alleged to be fiddly. Also it looks difficult to find a comfortable typing position due to the lack of wrist support area. Also, call me old-fashioned, but I like the idea of being able to protect your screen from scratches when you close the thing up. PLUS I dont think I can get any serious work done on any 1080p screen that is smaller than 13in. And if you're going to have a stylus, it MUST have somewhere or it wont be there when you need it (what were the designers thinking?)

    Meanwhile, one device I am increasingly attracted to is another Sony who's price has come down lately.

    - Screen: 13.1" with resolution:1920 x 1080
    - Battery life: Good - 6.5 hours say (add a sheet battery to get up to 14 hours)
    - CPU: Intel dual-core 2.5 GHz Core i5 (*) ("Ivy Bridge" "Standard power" 35w)
    - SSD: 256GB
    - RAM: 8GB
    - Weight: Excellent - 2.58lb (1.17Kg)
    - Resume: "Immediate"

    Yours for £1,522 on
    (or £1,622 if you want Wireless WAN)
    (Quad-core 2.1 GHz Core i7 if you have the money for another £180 - though battery may suffer, no?)

    Also fab colour definition, and flexible non-reflective screen.
    On the down-side, there is some muttering about the keyboard and trackpad being not brilliant.

    It's the 3rd Generation Sony Z (2012) - Model: SVZ1311C5E

    Sony Vaio Z Review (2012) - Notebook Reviews by MobileTechReview

    * * *

    Out of desperation, I could ALMOST live with that price... but I would immediately feel like a mug because it's not touch sensitve.

    Meanwhile I have found another laptop that is cheaper, with (reviewers tell us) excellent usability and rather gorgeous styling, with:
    - Screen: 13.3", 1080p IPS with wide viewing angles - GOOD
    - Processor: Intel Core i7-3517U - OK ("Ivy Bridge"/"Ultralow power" 17w)
    - RAM: only 4GB DDR3 - NOT GOOD
    - SSD: 256GB
    Cost: £1355 (incl delivery) on Amazon

    IMHO, much better looking that the Sony and better keyboard ergonmics - although only 4GB of (non-upgradeable) RAM, could be a problem for me. There is some moaning about light bleed being visible in dim lighting conditions, but it doesn't sound all that bad.

    It's the Asus Zenbook Prime UX31A-DB51

    Asus Zenbook Prime UX31A Review - Ultrabook Reviews by MobileTechReview

    * * *

    BUT: As soon as I buy either of these rather gorgeous machines I shall feel like an idiot. Why? Because neither if these machines have touch and given that I'm planning to hang on to mine for 4 or 5 years, in about 1 year's time when Win8 is stable and the entire known universe is going mobile, tablet, and touch... I will feel like an idiot.

    SO I think I shall just have to wait... [DEEP SIGH]


    P.S. On the horizon
    - Asus is rumoured to have a Touch version of the UX31A which sounds promising, although from what I can see they arent planning to let you open it and do a 360 like the Lenovo Yoga (nor twist like the Lenovo Twist)
    - Maybe in the next 6 months Lenovo will wake up and smell the coffee and give us a full-caffeine Windows8 device with a 1080p, 13+inch screen, (plus nipple and wacom touchscreen).
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  7. #47

    Lol, "Deep Sigh" is right.
    I'm totally feeling you on wanting a full caffeine versions. If I needed to buy something now that was more for work/business (assuming less travel than I typically engage in), I'd look for the 13 inch device (with wacom mesh) and just take a little more weight in the bargain -- and possibly a little more expense too -- particularly for a machine that I hope to have last four to five years.

    Me, I want a machine to use for the next 18 months, that I can type on on planes or public transit without extending out into the aisle. I want instant on, and I don't want to have to open the lid to get it -- so a face up lcd is ideal for me.

    I don't actually believe in the form factor on the Duo 11, but it seems like first gen windows 8 machines are all about either staying uninformed and loving the tablet you just bought, or informing yourself and then compromising on at least some of the specs you want. If I had pre-ordered a yoga, I'd probably be so committed to it by now that I wouldn't even mind it not supporting digitizing pens... much.
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  8. #48

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    Out of interest what do you use the Wacom mesh/stylus for mostly?
    i.e. Do you need the variable line thickness? Or are you mainly looking for an accurate dead reliable stylus? And the ability not to get confused by contact with your wrist when writing with a stylus? ...Or what?
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  9. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    jimbo, I disagree with a lot of your points.

    I've played with touchscreen devices for a long time. I still have my HP TX2000 TabletPC which has a 12.1" screen. It is not too big for touch as you say.

    And if the price is in the range of an ultrabook, you'd rather get the ultrabook? That may be the case for you. But for me, I wouldn't say that at all. In fact, the ultrabook definitely would have to be cheaper than a touch device for me to even consider an ultrabook. I like sleek slender laptops. But I don't sacrifice performance for small. I will sacrifice small for touch.

    I still have a 17" laptop, and would still take a high powered 17" laptop over a low power sleek ultrabook. I'd take a touchscreen laptop over an ultrabook in nearly every situation.
    HI there
    I think you misunderstood the point.

    It Wasn't the Touch -- it was just that if you start wanting larger screen sizes the portability of the device goes down -- try and use a 17 inch laptop when you are going "Cattle Class" on a long plane trip and the bozo in the seat in front of you wants to lower the back of his seat so it's almost in your face.

    I've found 10 / 11 inches about the maximum size for a decent size / portability ratio.
    The newer tablets all have HDMI out which gives decent resolution to a large external monitor / projector if you need to use these devices in an office or at home.

    Also once you start talking about 1,000 USD then the distinction between powerful Ultrabooks and a tablet gets vanishingly small.

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  10. #50

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    If you're still looking for a touch notebook for Windows 8...

    Lenovo Windows 8 ThinkPad X1 Carbon Touch notebook coming

    Lenovo's ThinkPad Carbon will have a touch screen soon that will be released next month!
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