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Emotion is a fatal flaw in analysis

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    Emotion is a fatal flaw in analysis


    Emotion is a fatal flaw in analysis.

    I was going to post this elsewhere, but the thread starter decided to suggest closing the thread. When posters get into a thread discussion that gets sticky, it's kind of, a little embarrassing, or funny. Unless these posts get deleted, they will remain. It's like a memory you want to forget but cannot. Then you can critique your post into another thread and reapply the same argument to another topic. Oh well. Emotion is not a good basis for making a point. Which is why arguing that tile placement from app installs invalidates the competency of Windows 8 to function as a desktop Operating System is not realistic. Just making the statement that you prefer a start menu to the new UI is enough.

    It was disappointing to me when Microsoft eliminated the option to use a classic start menu in Windows 7. Also in Vista, you could change the system fonts and menu fonts. They eliminated that option in Windows 7. In the Windows 7 start menu, the double pane start menu became unresizable. This was a new unfeature in Windows 7. I have never seen a registry edit that could resize the square blocky look of the Windows 7 start menu. The group policy editor was not available in home premium. The standard edits were never enough if one wanted to get rid of useless links on the right pane of the Windows 7 start menu. Edits would just make more blank space on the right pane. The left side of the menu had to be filled with recently used programs (or pinned programs) or else it would be a big blank space on the left pane. Therefore, I was always seeking to replace the Windows 7 start menu with something else, like the classic shell or a shell replacement (for Windows 7) or a docking system. Just like people are doing in Windows 8. It's getting a bit foggy now, since I haven't used Windows 7 for more than a few days during the past year. I don't miss it really. I like the edges in 8, hotspots etc...

    Opinions vary about the start screen and all apps. How they are used or what they should be like or do, what Microsoft should be responsible for, what is the best configuration etiquette. Rants about tile counts are not very productive. Windows 8 is whatever you think it is. It may be considered junk or useless, unintuitive, bogus, a waste of money, not worth the effort or a rip off. These are emotional responses to a piece of software. They do not have much contemplative depth or relevant analysis. Since Windows 8 is in play globally, different socio-economic philosophies will affect its success or failure in the marketplace. Likes and dislikes are a part of it, as well as the initial appearance of the start screen. I am sure that Microsoft's plan was not to create a failure, but rather to make something that people would like. It would be illogical to assume the board of trustees authorized the production of Windows 8 without adequate roundtable discussions by very skilled people. It is also illogical to assume that Microsoft would knowingly release a bad product. If and when problems do and will occur, as in the auto industry (with recalls), updates and upgrades are always made available. Another point others have made is that if they voice their complaints and opposition enough, Microsoft might reverse course or alter their plans to suit the desktop professionals. They may be right or just emotional because going back to a previous vision of what an Operating System should be is like time travel into an alternate economic reality. Considering what the cost of producing an Operating System (mega millions) is in 35 languages, it seems unlikely that it would make economic sense. The state of the PC is in disarray and decline. Microsoft is attempting to keep it relevant and popular. They might fail due to the negative reviews. Most of the negative reviews online are based on an emotional response or dislike. There is little adaptive reasoning. In other words, how does one make this work effectively, since that is the product Microsoft is offering. Of course, since consumers are stuck with Microsoft and Apple (or linux), it becomes very controversial. They don't like it, they won't buy it. I am forced to use it. There can be no resolution to this problem unless Microsoft decides to close its doors, pay off all the stockholders, disband the board of trustees, phase out all contracts and retire its business model and sell off its properties. Then we might see a new Operating System emerge.
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    Purely in response to the thread title:

    Emotion is the biggest factor in many purchasing decisions .
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    Microsoft also didn't intend to make an Xbox360 that suffered from the Red Ring of Death either, but they did and this caused enormous problems. People who were unwilling to purchase a 360 because they were afraid of getting a Red Ring of Death were justified in their concerns.

    People who aren't satisfied with a new change, or find it hard to use, have a perfectly legitimate right to come to a Windows 8 forum and discuss their concerns. Windows 8 diehard fans, need to realize that just as they love the changes, that others might not embrace them nearly as fast..or at all...depending upon the way that they use a computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Emotion is the biggest factor in many purchasing decisions .
    It's so true. Maybe Windows 8 will be added to my collection of technology for disposal in the near future. My garage is full of stuff bought from getting excited about new things...like LaCie SCSI drives, wide pin thick SCSI 8 ft. cable extensions (something like 72 pins), unused ethernet cables, HDMI cables, power cables, power strips, surge protectors, 2 Raptor 10,000 RPM WDC drives, external docks, at least 7 wired keyboards, maybe 7 or 8 wired mice all worn out with scratched surfaces, a wireless solar keyboard, usb hubs, soundblaster cards that don't work any more, memory that is unusable, crt tv monitors with VCR, copies of DOS, Windows 3.1, 95, 98, Windows NT 4, Windows 2000, XP, Vista and 7, 100 ft length vga cables, 100 ft length mouse and keyboard cables, microphones, the Microsoft Sound System, a 1200 watt sound system, Woofers, external dvd players, external CD-ROM players, rack mount casing, rack mount effects systems, Microsoft Press literature, floppy diskettes, internal drive holders, unused towers, out of date cable modems and routers, and of course, the Microsoft Monster Truck Madness 2 etc... (I was never into Xbox gaming or device gaming technology) ... spent a ton of dough on hardware. ... $1500 on a security dongle so that I could compile RPG (report program generator) code on my home computer... a Silicon Graphics LCD ($2300) when they first appeared and it needed a proprietary graphics card (about $400) from Revolution. Also before LCD's were plasma...bought a 42" plasma ($1800) and used it as a combined TV and PC monitor until the pixelation became annoying, it weighed 90 lbs and was dropped, the screen cracked and it had to be tossed....remember buying a 500mb drive costing about $450 (in the days of 1.4mb diskettes and 40mb hard drives) at the local electronics chain that has since gone out of business... probably about 1998... remember spending about $250 dollars on IBM DOS 5 on 3.5" diskettes when it was first released in 1991. Then PC DOS 7 was released on CD-ROM ... wow !
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Microsoft also didn't intend to make an Xbox360 that suffered from the Red Ring of Death either, but they did and this caused enormous problems. People who were unwilling to purchase a 360 because they were afraid of getting a Red Ring of Death were justified in their concerns.

    We're talking about a game device, here, on this point. "Enormous problems" Does this have more than a low priority of importance in one's computing experience? Red Ring of Death? An over heating problem. After doing a little research on this topic, it is unclear who is at fault. It could be the designers, probably was, but Xboxes are made in China, Mexico, Germany, and elsewhere. There is no source to pinpoint where the manufacturing flaws made during production originated. Some have made a broad sweeping charge that Microsoft knowingly released a bad product. This has not been proven. The failure rate, as stated online, rate anywhere from 3 percent to 60 percent with a median failure rate somewhere between 20 and 40 per cent of devices. Specific stats about blame and source are generally unavailable. I can understand that someone spending $200 or $300 dollars and more could be upset at a device failure. It would not be a pleasant experience.

     

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    People who aren't satisfied with a new change, or find it hard to use, have a perfectly legitimate right to come to a Windows 8 forum and discuss their concerns. Windows 8 diehard fans, need to realize that just as they love the changes, that others might not embrace them nearly as fast..or at all...depending upon the way that they use a computer.

    It's like they eliminated the ignition key and put in a start button (new dashboard auto designs). Or not. How they use a computer. hmmm... A traditional desktop is a screen, taskbar and start menu. Windows 8 has a desktop with multi resizable minimizable multi taskable windowing with a taskbar and an all apps area as a replacement for the start menu and a start screen as a launching area for frequently used programs such as desktop shortcuts or pinned links to the taskbar. As far as "embracing" the changes goes, "nearly as fast...or at all", this is not really optional. Microsoft has made a choice to offer a product with a new and different approach to traditional usage. Refusing to embrace the change is like not getting with the program. "Satisfaction" is irrelevant. Have you ever seen or heard 7 of 9 on "Voyager." Difficulty in use or a steep learning curve is irrelevant. All competent Operating Systems are complex. At some point, one has to choose whether or not to be flexible enough to apply a skill set, if it exists. The new design has some limitations and opinions vary on the utility of WinRT when combined with Win32. If one is talented enough, an understanding of how to effectively work the new user interface into a traditional experience can be achieved. Limitations exist in every Operating System, whether Windows 7, Linux, Apple, or Windows 8. A solution to an issue is usually possible unless the OS is not designed for that purpose. I am curious to see how it all develops down the road, say, a year from today. What kind of customization utilities will be for sale. And how the lackluster appeal will manifest. In other words, will it sink or swim? As far as I am concerned, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using other Operating Systems. Although, I re installed an image of Vista and used it for about 2 days a while back to see what that was like, ... Microsoft requested that I update Vista with about 580 updates requiring at least 4 hours to complete. Then upon rebooting, there were more updates to be completed. And then the next morning, there were more updates required.
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Emotion is the biggest factor in many purchasing decisions .
    It's so true. Maybe Windows 8 will be added to my collection of technology for disposal in the near future. My garage is full of stuff bought from getting excited about new things...
    ... wow !
    Beware Diogenes Syndrome... pathological hoarding it actually represents a failure of the decision-making process, an inability to let treasured possessions go, despite their uselessness.

    Anybody want a TRS-80 color computer or an ACT Apricot PC with disks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Anybody want a TRS-80 color computer or an ACT Apricot PC with disks?
    Any PC shop or consignment shop would have 10 times more junk than I have. I do not consider all that old stuff treasured, they are junk, and need to go. Do not get caught into the stratagems of inarticulate diatribes. Why would anyone want to use a TRS-80 pile of metallic plungers? Or an ACT Apricot PC that is noisy and slow? The decision making process requires that one adapt to circumstances and use all means to accomplish a desired task efficiently. If you wish to use UNIX, Windows 7 or any version of Server, I congratulate your ability to be successful.

    Let's see, let's do a short inventory since we are in the off topic chill out area.
    HDMI cables, power cables, power strips, surge protectors, a UPS device, 2 (10,000 RPM) Raptors, a Logitech wireless solar keyboard, usb hubs, power adapters, a VCR / DVD combo television, 100ft length cabling for vga, mouse and keyboard, Monster Truck Madness 2, external DVD and CD-ROM players, a 1200 watt sound system with woofers... these are all in very good shape, not used because circumstances have changed in how the office is arranged and what hardware is being used. Everything in this list works perfectly, so any suggestions on what to dump in the trash?
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