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Iphone 5 - Stick to Samsung or new Nokia Windows 8 phone

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Honestly, gun to my head, I'd pick a Samsung GSIII over an iphone 5. It's not just because it's an apple product, but the Samsung phones have more hardware features the iphone lacks. More bang for buck. And it seems like android 4 will be a formidable competitor to Windows Phone as you can't use an iphone to compare the two anymore.

    But as for Microsoft, they were in decline. They lost their image. They lost their innovation in deference to maturity. The new refresh of Microsoft is making them look like the new cool kids on the block that have wireless charging capabilities while apple finds that would be too confusing. I don't think they're on the decline now. They were, but they have no where to go but up. Everything is falling into place. I'm personally going to invest in Microsoft as thus is huge potential versus apple's stock that might be tittering on the brink.

    apple users are a tedious bunch. And the iphone isn't as stunning or stand out as a yellow Nokia Lumia 920 that has an uber camera and a touchscreen that can be used with gloves!
    Hi Coke robot

    you seem to be totally confused on this one about Android

    One the one hand you say nobody likes it yet there are LOADS of posts saying Android is improving by leaps and bounds and the latest releases are very stable.

    Now in your last post you are saying Android will be a serious competitor.

    Most people I've shown my Samsung to who have an Iphone often say they wish they had the Samsung ( although to be fair the Samsung wasn't available at the time they got their iPhones.).

    Some say they will switch next time they want to get a new phone too.

    I think if Nokia get the screen real estate correct on their next (Windows 8 Phone) it could also be a winner - but they've got a bit of an "image" problem as being " a bit stale and too corporate looking" however great the new phones are to look at.

    Apple only has one "advantage" if you can call it that -- it's hard to get apps on the phone that cause it to crash. With Android phones you can virtually download anything -- and some apps I've seen out their aren't even fit for the garbage can -- so it's the users who need to take more responsibility for what they download.

    As I said before -- Apple in the not too distant future will be in a far worse shape than Ms unless it can come out with stunning new products - and without Steve Jobs it's difficult to see where the innovation is going to come from.

    Ms can also trundle on just fine with "boring products" like server software and services etc -- these bring in money too.

    Apple TV if it ever moves out of the status of "Vaporware" is now too late to make any sort of impact --there is enough streamed video / tv content already if you want it - and despite FBI etc there's still 10 zillion and one "unofficial sources" still working just fine (including the infamous TPB which seems to have more users than ever despite 2/3rds of the planet's Law Enforcement agencies trying to eliminate it).

    As I said in my very first post I don't think the Iphone5 is actually going anywhere

    Not enough "glitz" etc to make current Iphone4 users want to switch immediately and certainly not enough to persuade "Floating Voters" to buy it over the much cheaper Samsung Galaxy IIIs (or even the new larger screen HTC).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    This is true, I do say android is sucky and I will say it is a formidable competitor to Windows Phone. BECAUSE, that is the only true competition either one have, so I respect the competitor. As for iphone, it's left in the dust. The no NFC move might end up being the Achilles' heel of it. When I have my Lumia 920 and you with your GSIII and we can tap to share something while iphone users diddle around with apps and trying to figure out how to do the same but with Bluetooth or using text; tides will turn shall we say. But android is bleh for me, as it does not put people first.

    Many people I've shown my Windows Phone to love it and want to buy one, as they have an android phone and it BLOWS compared to mine. I think I might have persuaded several people to buy a Windows Phone later this year when their contracts are up for renewal...

    I agree, the new iphone doesn't have a WOW feature to it that technologically interests me or any logical thinking iphone user. I bet I might end up buying the Lumia 920 during the winter and blowing peoples' gloves off when I show them I can text someone using regular, non-touchscreen optimized gloves. Or plopping my phone on its charging pod, or tapping to pair to a speaker, or showing DirectX gaming on a phone, or the stunning photographs and video that it can take, or simply the fact it comes in red or yellow or white or black or grey; all whilst being the most socially connected phone out there.

    I believe if you take away a company's original founder and leader, the company will decline in status. That's what happened to Microsoft when Bill Gates left and a number cruncher and not a software developer/visionary led. That's what happened when steve jobs was fired from apple, it slowly declined only to have Microsoft buy it out. Now that he's dead and the company's CEO is a number cruncher....I don't know. Rough times may be ahead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But android is bleh for me, as it does not put people first.
    I don't even understand what this means. How does a phone put people first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I bet I might end up buying the Lumia 920 during the winter and blowing peoples' gloves off when I show them I can text someone using regular, non-touchscreen optimized gloves.
    Do you wear teeny tiny latex gloves or something that will make you accurate when trying to use a touchscreen. And using gloves on a touchscreen isn't ideal in any way if you think about it. If you are wearing gloves, it's likely cold and wet outside. You probably don't want to be putting water onto the display of your cell phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But android is bleh for me, as it does not put people first.
    I don't even understand what this means. How does a phone put people first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I bet I might end up buying the Lumia 920 during the winter and blowing peoples' gloves off when I show them I can text someone using regular, non-touchscreen optimized gloves.
    Do you wear teeny tiny latex gloves or something that will make you accurate when trying to use a touchscreen. And using gloves on a touchscreen isn't ideal in any way if you think about it. If you are wearing gloves, it's likely cold and wet outside. You probably don't want to be putting water onto the display of your cell phone.
    EXACTLY! How does a phone put people first?

    Now, considering the Lumia 920 has a 4.5 inch screen I believe, using it with gloves is ideal. Even if you're outside and it's wet, a little water on the screen never kills it until it seeps in but that's logic. Wearing gloves outside doesn't always mean your gloves are wet though. And no, you don't need thin gloves at all. Even when Nokia first demonstrated it, they used a thick mitten and thumbed around with it, worked fine.

    Nokia Super Sensitive Touch Demonstration on the Lumia 920 - YouTube
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    So this is pressure sensitive and not heat sensitive technology? My DroidX2 is heat sensitive. As you may know, I work construction. During the cold I have to take my glove off to use it.
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    I assume it would have to be pressure sensitive as I can't think of what else it could be.
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    If you want to pull out your phone and use it outside with your gloves on, be my guest. I drop stuff, and the last thing I want to fumble with is my cell phone going into a snowbank.
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    I will. I'd rather have the technology adapt to me rather than me adapt to the technology. And that my friends, is where the iphone 5 fails!
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    Hi there
    Although the Samsung (and the new Iphone 5) has had the 4G LITE feature - I'm not sure why I would even use it

    I'm not sure how it works in the USA but most places I go to have cheap fast USUALLY FREE PUBLIC WI FI so why would I pay massive data charges to use one of these Telecom providers to use their usually expensive services.

    I tend to use my smartphone 90% of the time when I'm on WiFI -- I can even make and receive calls via VOIP services like SKYPE etc ( a lot cheaper than the mobile network cost) and use a simple Motorola RAZR (older model) with a "Pay as you go" card in it when I have to use a Network for calls. (In UK some services try and block this from Mobiles -- just unlock your phone if in UK, remove the SIM and then make your VOIP call, --in Mainland EUR and Scandanavia Locking phones isn't allowed so this problem doesn't arise.).



    I'd say over around One month of calls I've only needed the Network facility 3 times --the rest I've done via Public WiFi (usually Free).

    Sometimes "Enhancements" while sounding good don't really offer a lot -- full 4G will be expensive to implement and even more expensive to use.

    With decent WiFi connections I think 4G will become as dead as the DODO before it even starts. Do I really need that sort of speed on a hand held telephone--- C'mon peeps please get real. And even for data transmission --who is going to upload 3 TB of data from a Mobile phone anyway !!!! even if it does take a very short time to do.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Although the Samsung (and the new Iphone 5) has had the 4G LITE feature - I'm not sure why I would even use it

    I'm not sure how it works in the USA but most places I go to have cheap fast USUALLY FREE PUBLIC WI FI so why would I pay massive data charges to use one of these Telecom providers to use their usually expensive services.

    I tend to use my smartphone 90% of the time when I'm on WiFI -- I can even make and receive calls via VOIP services like SKYPE etc ( a lot cheaper than the mobile network cost) and use a simple Motorola RAZR (older model) with a "Pay as you go" card in it when I have to use a Network for calls. (In UK some services try and block this from Mobiles -- just unlock your phone if in UK, remove the SIM and then make your VOIP call, --in Mainland EUR and Scandanavia Locking phones isn't allowed so this problem doesn't arise.).



    I'd say over around One month of calls I've only needed the Network facility 3 times --the rest I've done via Public WiFi (usually Free).

    Sometimes "Enhancements" while sounding good don't really offer a lot -- full 4G will be expensive to implement and even more expensive to use.

    With decent WiFi connections I think 4G will become as dead as the DODO before it even starts. Do I really need that sort of speed on a hand held telephone--- C'mon peeps please get real. And even for data transmission --who is going to upload 3 TB of data from a Mobile phone anyway !!!! even if it does take a very short time to do.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    There are quite a number of places that offer free WiFi here in the States. Most McDonalds, 5Bucks, family-owned restaraunts, Bars, etc. all offer free WiFi and have been for quite some time. It was a means of attracting more business. So, yes, one can use the WiFi end rather than the system/carrier end for data and VOIP.

    Up until about 5 years ago, most could not turn off the system-end data on the smart phones. It would use the WiFi end first if it was available, but would always be connected to system-end data. With our newer phones we have the option of turning off the system/carrier data end. At least on Droids. I don't know about other makes. My daughter ran over on our/my data plan a few times mostly because of FB and I paid dearly -> Cha Ching! It is expensive if not within the data plan package.

    With her new phone, she can now turn it off and told her to keep it off unless she absolutely needs to turn it on. It was the 1st option I showed her along with showing her how to tract data via an app called My Verizon. To teach her responsibility I told her if she went over on the data I would take the phone away for a month. So far so good. It's amazing how fast we all learn when freedoms are threatened! She already new how to connect to WiFi when available and suggested she make it a habit to always connect. The phone remembers connections and passwords if it's a secure connection, which is convenient.

    Also, one needs the system/carrier data end to use navigation apps while auto traveling. This is when I mostly use that end, otherwise I'm mostly on WiFi. I hardly ever come close to fulfilling my data package, which is at the least I can buy.

    Here is a scientific approach I found in researching the cost end of the topic. The article is dated June 21, 2011, but close enough. How Much Does Your Data Cost? | Wired Science | Wired.com

    A little tidbit -> I have a nephew that works for at&t out of Minneapolis–Saint Paul. He's on a team that is developing 5G and has been doing so for a few years. It will be using Super WiFi. Super Wi-Fi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The U.S. FCC approved it in 2010. I'm sure other carriers are following suit. He says it will probably be the last G, or for at least for quite some time. This will most likely put VOIP services under. The trouble with the present system is for it to find the phone one is calling, which tower to use, switching towers when one is traveling, etc, whereas all phones will be on the system at all times via Super WiFi. All in all the game will change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Although the Samsung (and the new Iphone 5) has had the 4G LITE feature - I'm not sure why I would even use it

    I'm not sure how it works in the USA but most places I go to have cheap fast USUALLY FREE PUBLIC WI FI so why would I pay massive data charges to use one of these Telecom providers to use their usually expensive services.

    I tend to use my smartphone 90% of the time when I'm on WiFI -- I can even make and receive calls via VOIP services like SKYPE etc ( a lot cheaper than the mobile network cost) and use a simple Motorola RAZR (older model) with a "Pay as you go" card in it when I have to use a Network for calls. (In UK some services try and block this from Mobiles -- just unlock your phone if in UK, remove the SIM and then make your VOIP call, --in Mainland EUR and Scandanavia Locking phones isn't allowed so this problem doesn't arise.).



    I'd say over around One month of calls I've only needed the Network facility 3 times --the rest I've done via Public WiFi (usually Free).

    Sometimes "Enhancements" while sounding good don't really offer a lot -- full 4G will be expensive to implement and even more expensive to use.

    With decent WiFi connections I think 4G will become as dead as the DODO before it even starts. Do I really need that sort of speed on a hand held telephone--- C'mon peeps please get real. And even for data transmission --who is going to upload 3 TB of data from a Mobile phone anyway !!!! even if it does take a very short time to do.

    Cheers
    jimbo

    Yeah, as Hippsie said, we do have public access WiFi, but that only works best if you live in the city. If you live in bland suburbia, you'll need to access someone's unprotected WiFi network.

    I agree, I literally do not, can not, and will not understand why people literally will need a plethora of gigabytes of month for their phone. See, I just recently hit my 2 gig mark out of 3, and that's because I was listening to internet radio. I do not get why people send SO much time on a phone, usually a 4 ich screen to watch YouTube videos or game or whatever. Unrelated, this part I like about Windows 8 on my desktop because some apps from my Windows Phone I can have on Windows 8 so I can use much faster internet, much faster hardware, and a much larger screen.
    In the states, we oddly have the slowest internet speed in the world; but we want faster mobile internet speeds. A strange cunundrum. Shoot, there've been instances where my LTE connection loaded a website faster than my home connection due to some idiotic latency I have to deal with still in the year 2012. First world problems I say.
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