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  1. #71


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I want to buy outright as well in order to get out of the contract trap I feel I'm in. Then I can change carriers at will. Vz has done me right in some ways and not in others.
    While I do think that people often feel trapped by contracts, I think if it comes down to the difference between a phone costing $199 or $499...people are almost always just going to opt for the contract....as they aren't going to forsee not having a phone over the course of the contract. So, the cons of paying more will outweight the benefits of not being trapped.

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    they are expensive
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  3. #73


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I want to buy outright as well in order to get out of the contract trap I feel I'm in. Then I can change carriers at will. Vz has done me right in some ways and not in others.
    While I do think that people often feel trapped by contracts, I think if it comes down to the difference between a phone costing $199 or $499...people are almost always just going to opt for the contract....as they aren't going to forsee not having a phone over the course of the contract. So, the cons of paying more will outweight the benefits of not being trapped.
    I hear you, but I think it's all based on the average cost of all phones then they charge you up front for the difference. I was in the shopping part of the account, not the upgrade option to see what I would have to put down on a Razr or iPhone. I'll bet it'll be $300, though.

    The trap I feel I'm in is that my phone and my daughter's phone cycle in different years, therefore I renew the contract every year. It's not seperate contracts, for it's one account. Get my drift. They also try and sneek in a different data and text package since some old ones are abandoned since last contract. I have unlimited text for that's what my daughter uses the most as a teen. When I got her last upgrade, she texted like 1,500 text in that month of which they tried to charge me. I didn't realize they changed the package. I got on the horn right away with to tell them that I didn't authorize any package change. "Well, Sir, blah baa blah..." I told them if they didn't keep it the same, I'd go elsewhere -> violating the contract -> without paying anything any further. I realize that would be a strike against my credit. I bluffed -> I won! They kept it the same.

    For the most part cell phones and service are getting quite expensive, but what isn't. I know smart phones are a luxury, but it's getting out of hand. Of course, over all, inflation has been eating us alive.
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  4. #74


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But as for the iphone 5, it's........lacking lust. There isn't anything about it that really says to me, "Hey, this is cool, look at me!"
    Lacking lust...then how do you explain the fact that it will likely sell 10 million in the first few months to people who already own an iPhone? It lacks interest from you, and that's more your issue than a phone issue. You are super excited and stoked about the Windows phone, and personally I feel that it's barely going to get a cursory glance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    What's worse for apple right now that the whispers over the summer about how apple might be on the decline are starting to turn into a murmur. I literally can't remember a year of an apple release where there was more than one article (unbiased) that claimed the release to be boring. Today, I've read about four.
    To be fair, you also seem to know of nobody with an Android who is happy, and everybody you have shown Windows 8 to has been blown away by it's complete awesomeness, etc. I on the other hand have found very much the opposite. You want to see Apple decline and Microsoft take over and you see this happening. Personally, I feel that Microsoft has always been on top and for the first time in a long time, they are in decline and in danger of slowing fading out. And they see it too, as they are scrambling to get Windows 8 and this new interface into the market in a reactive response to how well the tablet market has taken off. This take off was not led in any way by Microsoft, but by Apple and Android.

    I will be honest, up until about 1 month ago, I had no idea what NFC was. I still haven't found anything that I need/want to do which makes me sad that my current Droid 2 doesn't have NFC support.


    Wireless charging could really be a winner. I only charge my Droid 2 overnight and I have a dock that it sits in which stands the phone up and turns it into an alarm clock for me, so my current solution is ideal for my needs, but I could see others who could really benefit from wireless charging.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Sure, it's thinner, it's lighter, got a bit bigger screen, has a bit better processor, has improved battery life. So what? The Samsung GSIII does, the Nokia Lumia 920 does.
    Yes, but iPhone users really want to stick with the phone they have which works well for them. They like the layout, how it works, how easy it seems to be for them, and will continue to support the app store they are used to and run the apps they have previously purchased. So, it's not really a factor that other phones can do similar things, they are impressed and satisfied that their phone or choice can now do it as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The iphone is truly going to become the mac line up: stable, relatively unchanged physically, bit better hardware, bit larger and better screen, all to keep a niche user base satisfied. They won't do anything radical, they won't do anything impressive.
    Well, their niche user base is a SUBSTANTIAL percentage of the market. And they don't need to do anything radical to sell millions upon millions of their devices and be considered the industry standard. Regardless of how you and I feel about the iPhone, it's unquestionable that it's the phone that every other device is compared against.
    It's quite obvious that an existing iphone user will go to the new one. Now, will all? Maybe, maybe not. Some are actually criticizing the new iphone, some might abondon ship altogether. I think it's lackluster from an unbiased perspective. There wasn't anything I thought was neat, heck I thought their new ipods were cooler! apple just checkmarked the items they needed to release a new phone, and not much else. There wasn't that, "Oh wait, one last thing" moment. Having an extra row of icons isn't that. In fact, it's just a checkmark off the needed list as android and Windows Phone both have that. I do believe 2012 will be the year of Windows Phone and that's just the start.

    And yes, I do want to see apple on the decline, so sick of i, i, i, i, i, i, i, i, devices left and right, completely destroys grammatics. I believe Microsoft has been on the decline recently. You can be world's largest company, but the most boring at the same time. I do believe you posted an article elsewhere that said that the iphone is larger than Microsoft combined. Just one phone. Microsoft on the other hand didn't do anything too risky until years recent. They just released iterative updates and not anything extraordinary. Windows is on top of course and 7 was the most fastest selling OS every, but they missed out on tablet computing when they already tried. They missed out on the smartphone market and only got into both late. When a company that is so large becomes the company that isn't "cool" anymore, that's a decline. And also, their stock price over the decade kind of shows an apparent decline versus apple.


    See, that's something apple could have done with NFC. Not many people have heard of it, but the technology could had been implemented into the iphone and apple could had led the way on NFC based technology. Nope. Instead, they're letting heir competitors do it. They don't believe in it, much like how Microsoft scoffed at the concept of the iphone years ago. I'm more excited at how it can change the way things are paid for, the fact I wouldn't need to use a UI to connect to a speaker, and use it for info sharing without texting. There are multiple possibilities for NFC, we'll just have to see what Microsoft and google push out.

    Oh, so iphone users don't stick with their phone because it's trendy? Granted yes, the new iphone will still sell, but I see it's at the climax of their success. If they release a new iphone next year that only has software improvements like the 4s did with built in Siri, you might find more and more people considering other options. Now, two years from now if apple releases an iphone that isn't significantly better, or just another checking off the list of needed features type of device, you might find more and more people switching to the latest and best platform, whether that be android or Windows Phone will yet to be seen.

    Speaking of comparisons, the Nokia Lumia 920 is being used to compare against the new iphone. Overall, many comparisons find the Lumia a winner. Some deranged say the Lumia is too fat or too thick and that is a deciding factor that the iphone wins. Meh. No one wants to date an anerexic model.... Even with the Samsung GSIII, it still wins over the iphone. I don't know if the iphone can really be used to compare anymore. It doesn't seem like the higher end so much. It's like driving a luxury car with no options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I want to buy outright as well in order to get out of the contract trap I feel I'm in. Then I can change carriers at will. Vz has done me right in some ways and not in others.
    While I do think that people often feel trapped by contracts, I think if it comes down to the difference between a phone costing $199 or $499...people are almost always just going to opt for the contract....as they aren't going to forsee not having a phone over the course of the contract. So, the cons of paying more will outweight the benefits of not being trapped.
    I hear you, but I think it's all based on the average cost of all phones then they charge you up front for the difference. I was in the shopping part of the account, not the upgrade option to see what I would have to put down on a Razr or iPhone. I'll bet it'll be $300, though.

    The trap I feel I'm in is that my phone and my daughter's phone cycle in different years, therefore I renew the contract every year. It's not seperate contracts, for it's one account. Get my drift. They also try and sneek in a different data and text package since some old ones are abandoned since last contract. I have unlimited text for that's what my daughter uses the most as a teen. When I got her last upgrade, she texted like 1,500 text in that month of which they tried to charge me. I didn't realize they changed the package. I got on the horn right away with to tell them that I didn't authorize any package change. "Well, Sir, blah baa blah..." I told them if they didn't keep it the same, I'd go elsewhere -> violating the contract -> without paying anything any further. I realize that would be a strike against my credit. I bluffed -> I won! They kept it the same.

    For the most part cell phones and service are getting quite expensive, but what isn't. I know smart phones are a luxury, but it's getting out of hand. Of course, over all, inflation has been eating us alive.
    It absolutely sucks to hear in Europe, their main upfront cost is the phone unsubsidized, and they can switch carriers in a whim as the phones are usually unlocked. And they usually don't sign contracts as the service seems to be on a pay as you go platform, even for the latest smartphones! I so upset to see the Nokia Lumia 800 available in Britain at literally such a low cost per month, I think it was roughly 40 or so US dollars!
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  6. #76


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    Hi there
    Belgium etc does not allow locking of phones - nor should any body else --that said it's usually easy to get the unlock codes anyway - they are available all over the Internet..

    I read in this thread that a lot of people think Android is useless -- well ICS (4.0 and above) seems to work just fine on my Samsung Galaxy IIIs and ease of use and the screen etc just blows the iPhone away these days. People who think about phones "seizing up" are usually running a very back level version of Android (say 2.0 or whatever) or have downloaded some totally rubbish apps that aren't in any way fit for purpose.

    Most companies that make money are by nature "Boring" -- Shell, IBM, "Accidenture" (Accenture) etc etc. Ms isn't in decline at all either. It's got a huge corporate revenue stream that isn't going away any time soon. -- I don't see wholesale defections in the corporate world from Ms to Apple either.

    Apple supplies primarily consumers who are a fickle bunch -- Apple could in theory vanish overnight -- Ms would take a bit longer to "exterminate itself" as businesses aren't quite so quick to change suppliers etc -- and there is usually a horrendous cost of doing so.

    A user can easily say -- OK Ms I've had enough, go out and buy an Apple computer -- businesses can't and don't purchase kit or services like that.

    I'd still feel my money was safer for the moment with Ms at around 30 USD a share than with apple at around 694 USD a share.

    (However if you trade markets follow your own instinct -- W8 Forum isn't an investors Forum so don't just follow what I feel on this one).

    Actually the new Iphone even for Iphone users surely is a teeny weeny disappointment -- nothing stunning unlike the Samsung phones.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Honestly, gun to my head, I'd pick a Samsung GSIII over an iphone 5. It's not just because it's an apple product, but the Samsung phones have more hardware features the iphone lacks. More bang for buck. And it seems like android 4 will be a formidable competitor to Windows Phone as you can't use an iphone to compare the two anymore.

    But as for Microsoft, they were in decline. They lost their image. They lost their innovation in deference to maturity. The new refresh of Microsoft is making them look like the new cool kids on the block that have wireless charging capabilities while apple finds that would be too confusing. I don't think they're on the decline now. They were, but they have no where to go but up. Everything is falling into place. I'm personally going to invest in Microsoft as thus is huge potential versus apple's stock that might be tittering on the brink.

    apple users are a tedious bunch. And the iphone isn't as stunning or stand out as a yellow Nokia Lumia 920 that has an uber camera and a touchscreen that can be used with gloves!
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    I also go with Samsung. It's just a personal choice. No need for extra notes.
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    I am a current iPhone 4 user and iOS is getting very boring. I'm just looking for something new and the Lumia 920 or Ativ S could be the perfect fit. That or an S3 but the TouchWiz UI ruins a great OS I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Honestly, gun to my head, I'd pick a Samsung GSIII over an iphone 5. It's not just because it's an apple product, but the Samsung phones have more hardware features the iphone lacks. More bang for buck. And it seems like android 4 will be a formidable competitor to Windows Phone as you can't use an iphone to compare the two anymore.

    But as for Microsoft, they were in decline. They lost their image. They lost their innovation in deference to maturity. The new refresh of Microsoft is making them look like the new cool kids on the block that have wireless charging capabilities while apple finds that would be too confusing. I don't think they're on the decline now. They were, but they have no where to go but up. Everything is falling into place. I'm personally going to invest in Microsoft as thus is huge potential versus apple's stock that might be tittering on the brink.

    apple users are a tedious bunch. And the iphone isn't as stunning or stand out as a yellow Nokia Lumia 920 that has an uber camera and a touchscreen that can be used with gloves!
    Hi Coke robot

    you seem to be totally confused on this one about Android

    One the one hand you say nobody likes it yet there are LOADS of posts saying Android is improving by leaps and bounds and the latest releases are very stable.

    Now in your last post you are saying Android will be a serious competitor.

    Same thing about Ms Stock -- you previously say it's going nowhere -- maybe it won't -- it's 52 week high was 32 and it's currently trading at 31.2 so maybe it won't move - but you now say above you'll invest money in it.

    People like and dislike different things true but at times you appear to have totally forgotten what you wrote a few posts previously and then say the exact opposite.

    Just follow this thread again - and note your comments on Ms and Android. !!!!

    Most people I've shown my Samsung to who have an Iphone often say they wish they had the Samsung ( although to be fair the Samsung wasn't available at the time they got their iPhones.).

    Some say they will switch next time they want to get a new phone too.

    I think if Nokia get the screen real estate correct on their next (Windows 8 Phone) it could also be a winner - but they've got a bit of an "image" problem as being " a bit stale and too corporate looking" however great the new phones are to look at.

    Apple only has one "advantage" if you can call it that -- it's hard to get apps on the phone that cause it to crash. With Android phones you can virtually download anything -- and some apps I've seen out there aren't even fit for the garbage can -- so it's the users who need to take more responsibility for what they download.

    As I said before -- Apple in the not too distant future will be in a far worse shape than Ms unless it can come out with stunning new products - and without Steve Jobs it's difficult to see where the innovation is going to come from.

    Ms can also trundle on just fine with "boring products" like server software and services etc -- these bring in money too.

    Apple TV if it ever moves out of the status of "Vaporware" is now too late to make any sort of impact --there is enough streamed video / tv content already if you want it - and despite FBI etc there's still 10 zillion and one "unofficial sources" still working just fine (including the infamous TPB which seems to have more users than ever despite 2/3rds of the planet's Law Enforcement agencies trying to eliminate it).

    As I said in my very first post I don't think the Iphone5 is actually going anywhere

    Not enough "glitz" etc to make current Iphone4 users want to switch immediately and certainly not enough to persuade "Floating Voters" to buy it over the much cheaper Samsung Galaxy IIIs (or even the new larger screen HTC).

    Cheers
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