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  1. #61


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    The original point of the post was to say that the iPhone 5 brings nothing new to the table and people like Samsung / HTC have great new (Much Cheaper) options than Apple and while earkier releases of Android deserved the title "Dumbdroid" the latest releases are stable and work very well indeed (ICS rel >= 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich -- who thinks BTW of these stupid names !!!).
    While the iPhone 5 doesn't bring with it a ton of new revolutionary features, it does improve upon it's prior version. It's got a larger screen, faster everything, thinner, lighter, better on battery, better camera, new smaller reversible dock port...thus features that people really want. We can argue about features like NFC, or wireless charging...but these aren't big on most peoples lists.

    As far as cost goes, at $199 they aren't terribly overpriced like many Apple products.

    Stupid names go hand in hand with Android. Now we have Jellybean and Project Butter. Honestly, I cannot tell much difference between Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich and Jellybean. Fonts are about the most standout feature as far as I have noticed.

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  2. #62


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Once people start getting involved with "Farcebook" or become "Twats" on Twitter -- all bets are off.
    Hilarious.

    Seriously, when you get to that point you have lost them. I went to a ballgame last year and I kid you not, a family of four in the row right in front of me all had their phones out the ENTIRE game, not talking to each other, checking FB and whatever else they had to check for three straight hours. They barely spoke a word to each other.
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  3. #63


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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tcman50 View Post
    Apple is risking consumer removal if they continue their horrid lawsuits against everything that moves, they really need to back off.
    Do you really think the average consumer of these devices gives a rip about the legal situation between Apple and Samsung? They buy the phones because they like them, that's all. Only the most diehard "fanboi" is going to react by boycotting Apple or Samsung over their legal fights.

    -Max
    That's not the point. Samsung has been copying iPhone designs for years but it wasn't until Apple not only lost market share to Android but also Samsung became the number one phone seller that Apple decided to go after them. They aren't innovating and therefore losing market share so to make their money they go after other companies. It's no wonder they've been patenting everything and anything they do for years. Anyone else that makes a phone that is rectangle with rounded corners with an OS that uses icons better lookout, Apple may come after you!
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  4. #64


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    The original point of the post was to say that the iPhone 5 brings nothing new to the table and people like Samsung / HTC have great new (Much Cheaper) options than Apple and while earkier releases of Android deserved the title "Dumbdroid" the latest releases are stable and work very well indeed (ICS rel >= 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich -- who thinks BTW of these stupid names !!!).
    While the iPhone 5 doesn't bring with it a ton of new revolutionary features, it does improve upon it's prior version. It's got a larger screen, faster everything, thinner, lighter, better on battery, better camera, new smaller reversible dock port...thus features that people really want. We can argue about features like NFC, or wireless charging...but these aren't big on most peoples lists.

    As far as cost goes, at $199 they aren't terribly overpriced like many Apple products.

    Stupid names go hand in hand with Android. Now we have Jellybean and Project Butter. Honestly, I cannot tell much difference between Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich and Jellybean. Fonts are about the most standout feature as far as I have noticed.
    I think that's usually what people say when the iphone has something that the others don't..... "No one really needs those."

    But as for the iphone 5, it's........lacking lust. There isn't anything about it that really says to me, "Hey, this is cool, look at me!" It's more like, "Yeah, let's just get this over with." What's worse for apple right now that the whispers over the summer about how apple might be on the decline are starting to turn into a murmur. I literally can't remember a year of an apple release where there was more than one article (unbiased) that claimed the release to be boring. Today, I've read about four. Other pieces are saying that it's not really worth it, the connector is going to be an issue as you have to buy a 30 dollar adapter and you probably may need more than one depending on your usage, a couple say that apple is on the road to become Microsoft from the 2000s, and of course there are the plethora of articles of writers peeing themselves over how cool it is. But this is troubling, I've never seen this happen before. The iphone 4GS obviously had its flack since it was an incremental release, as apple tries to release a worthwhile iphone every two years. It's been two years, and their new iphone 5 isn't a worthwhile phone. Even with a bigger screen, EVERY other higher end android and Windows Phone makes it look like a little skinny baby phone.

    Then there is the lack of NFC support. I personally believed that it wouldn't become mainstream unless apple does it, but since they aren't it seems like google and Microsoft will be making headways into this new technology while apple stubbornly scoffs at it. Then there's no wireless charging, which to me makes the Lumia 920 stand out among the rest. Call it a lustful feature if you will. I read today an apple designer basically said that it would confuse users. Really right now?

    Sure, it's thinner, it's lighter, got a bit bigger screen, has a bit better processor, has improved battery life. So what? The Samsung GSIII does, the Nokia Lumia 920 does. The iphone is truly going to become the mac line up: stable, relatively unchanged physically, bit better hardware, bit larger and better screen, all to keep a niche user base satisfied. They won't do anything radical, they won't do anything impressive.

    This just made me think about Windows, especially vista. When it came out, the previous Longhorn builds made it out to be a gift of GOD Himself. Hurdles happened, and the final product was reviewed as "a warmed over version of Windows Xp with more glitches." Not too great. But the parallel I draw here is the number 6. Six isn't a good number for obvious reasons. vista was number six in the NT lineup of Windows and was the worst Windows release in history. The iphone 5 is physically the sixth release from apple.

    Let time tell...
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  5. #65


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    Oh, I forgot one more stand out feature that the iphone does have: super touch sensitive display. Meaning, I will probably buy the Nokia Lumia 920 with its super touch sensitive display this winter as it means I don't have to give up my pair of driving gloves for a pair I will only use for less than a year. Gloves on a touch screen?

    AAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

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  6. #66


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But as for the iphone 5, it's........lacking lust. There isn't anything about it that really says to me, "Hey, this is cool, look at me!"
    Lacking lust...then how do you explain the fact that it will likely sell 10 million in the first few months to people who already own an iPhone? It lacks interest from you, and that's more your issue than a phone issue. You are super excited and stoked about the Windows phone, and personally I feel that it's barely going to get a cursory glance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    What's worse for apple right now that the whispers over the summer about how apple might be on the decline are starting to turn into a murmur. I literally can't remember a year of an apple release where there was more than one article (unbiased) that claimed the release to be boring. Today, I've read about four.
    To be fair, you also seem to know of nobody with an Android who is happy, and everybody you have shown Windows 8 to has been blown away by it's complete awesomeness, etc. I on the other hand have found very much the opposite. You want to see Apple decline and Microsoft take over and you see this happening. Personally, I feel that Microsoft has always been on top and for the first time in a long time, they are in decline and in danger of slowing fading out. And they see it too, as they are scrambling to get Windows 8 and this new interface into the market in a reactive response to how well the tablet market has taken off. This take off was not led in any way by Microsoft, but by Apple and Android.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Then there is the lack of NFC support. I personally believed that it wouldn't become mainstream unless apple does it,
    I will be honest, up until about 1 month ago, I had no idea what NFC was. I still haven't found anything that I need/want to do which makes me sad that my current Droid 2 doesn't have NFC support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Then there's no wireless charging, which to me makes the Lumia 920 stand out among the rest. Call it a lustful feature if you will. I read today an apple designer basically said that it would confuse users. Really right now?
    Wireless charging could really be a winner. I only charge my Droid 2 overnight and I have a dock that it sits in which stands the phone up and turns it into an alarm clock for me, so my current solution is ideal for my needs, but I could see others who could really benefit from wireless charging.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Sure, it's thinner, it's lighter, got a bit bigger screen, has a bit better processor, has improved battery life. So what? The Samsung GSIII does, the Nokia Lumia 920 does.
    Yes, but iPhone users really want to stick with the phone they have which works well for them. They like the layout, how it works, how easy it seems to be for them, and will continue to support the app store they are used to and run the apps they have previously purchased. So, it's not really a factor that other phones can do similar things, they are impressed and satisfied that their phone or choice can now do it as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The iphone is truly going to become the mac line up: stable, relatively unchanged physically, bit better hardware, bit larger and better screen, all to keep a niche user base satisfied. They won't do anything radical, they won't do anything impressive.
    Well, their niche user base is a SUBSTANTIAL percentage of the market. And they don't need to do anything radical to sell millions upon millions of their devices and be considered the industry standard. Regardless of how you and I feel about the iPhone, it's unquestionable that it's the phone that every other device is compared against.
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  7. #67


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by burtie View Post
    For the price they are asking I think I am allowed to scoff at the integration of Facebook into the Os. The only people who are going to get exited are the tons of attention seekers who like to post status updates every five minutes and instigram photos of their food...lolz
    The iPhone 5 really isn't very expensive, compared to other similar smartphones, is it? Seems like around $99 is about the entry level area, and $199 is pretty typical for new versions of many phones..I know the Droid Razr was around that price, and the Galaxy SIII is around that price too
    I can see your company buys your phone, for it doesn't seem you are familiar with phone pricing or shopping for one. Not to say you haven't. It seems that way. By all means, correct me if I'm wrong. I realize you have to buy your wife's phone, so she, at least, has shopped for one.

    Phones, for what they are and what you get, are expensive IMO. I have a friend that developed an invention and a nephew that works for at&t out of the Twin Cities so I somewhat have an idea of what it takes to develop a product from concept to the final working and approved product. I would guess lot of overhead. The initial one to be the greatest, then improving models less. Engineers, writers, designers, lawyers for patents, offices and buildings, etc. Big $bucks$

    They may offer a phone for, let's say, $99 ($200 - $300 for higher end). That is, in reality, a down payment. Usually one has to sign a two-year contract along with that price along with other customers paying also, therefore one actually pays full price for it over time, unless buying outright. It's all thrown in collectively as a whole customer base, so one may as well buy an expensive phone, for the one that buys a less expensive phone is helping to pay for the expensive one.

    There are standards in the cell phone industry -> New-in-two, low prices (for what they make it seem like a deal), voice-data-text packages, family packages, etc. It can dizzy one's head shopping for a phone because of hardware, software, and carrier options. A lot of factors to consider. Worse than the computer world.

    I'm basing this on Vz prices, for that's my carrier and what I can view through my account. One may find better deals elsewhere, if buying outright. A decent smart phone runs on the average of around $400 to $ $600. The iPhone 5 (which Vz just released this morning) and Droid Razr are a little more. The top Droid Razr is $650 if bought outright. Expect to pay $650 to $850 for the iPhones. One can purchase a decent refurbished lappy for that.

    As per price increase in price with any model, one is actually paying roughly $100 more per GB of memory each time it doubles. e.g. The lower end iPhone at 16GB of mem is $650, the next at 32GB is $750, the top one at 64GB is $850. Same phones, different mem. Basically the same with all models. I noticed that one cannot increase mem with an added card with iPhones, whereas the Droids one usually can.

    My new-in-two is up in January. I'm actually not looking forward to shopping for a new one. In fact I'm dreading it.
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  8. #68


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I can see your company buys your phone, for it doesn't seem you are familiar with phone pricing or shopping for one. Not to say you haven't. It seems that way. By all means, correct me if I'm wrong. I realize you have to buy your wife's phone, so she, at least, has shopped for one.
    Correct, I haven't purchased a personal cell phone in over 12 years. I purchased my wife's iPhone 3GS about 3.5 years ago and did some research back then, but it was her choice to go the iPhone route.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Phones, for what they are and what you get, are expensive IMO.
    I agree totally. I'm always astounded by how often consumers "upgrade" their phones. It seems like as soon as they are eligible for an upgrade, they elect to pay for it. Some even upgrade early and just pay a penalty fee. And the fact that these services plans are like $80 a month for voice and data is just a lot of money on a yearly basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I'm basing this on Vz prices, for that's my carrier and what I can view through my account. One may find better deals elsewhere, if buying outright. A decent smart phone runs on the average of around $400 to $ $600. The iPhone 5 (which Vz just released this morning) and Droid Razr are a little more. The top Droid Razr is $650 if bought outright. Expect to pay $650 to $850 for the iPhones. One can purchase a decent refurbished lappy for that.
    Verizon is my carrier as well. I don't know anybody who is buying the phone outright without the required # of years contract. Most people say they are going to have to have a phone plan anyway, so why not agree to the contract. So, if we assume people are using contracts anyway, the new 16GB iPhone is $199, the Samsung Galaxy IIIs is $199, the LG Driod Incredible is $149, the Droid Rarz Maxx is $199, the Galaxy Nexus by Samsung is $99, the Droid 4 is $99, the Droid Charge is $99. So, I don't really see the iPhone as absurdly expensive compared to the competition.


    How many people here on 8 forums buy their cell phones outright without a contract?
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  9. #69


    I'm considering outright this time depending on my cash flow problem of which we're all born with. My daughter's phone won't be up until fall of next year. I want to buy outright as well in order to get out of the contract trap I feel I'm in. Then I can change carriers at will. Vz has done me right in some ways and not in others.

    I just feel trapped and I don't like it. Perhaps I can get deals like we do playing the cable and dish companies against each other? I dunno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    The original point of the post was to say that the iPhone 5 brings nothing new to the table and people like Samsung / HTC have great new (Much Cheaper) options than Apple and while earkier releases of Android deserved the title "Dumbdroid" the latest releases are stable and work very well indeed (ICS rel >= 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich -- who thinks BTW of these stupid names !!!).
    While the iPhone 5 doesn't bring with it a ton of new revolutionary features, it does improve upon it's prior version. It's got a larger screen, faster everything, thinner, lighter, better on battery, better camera, new smaller reversible dock port...thus features that people really want. We can argue about features like NFC, or wireless charging...but these aren't big on most peoples lists.

    As far as cost goes, at $199 they aren't terribly overpriced like many Apple products.

    Stupid names go hand in hand with Android. Now we have Jellybean and Project Butter. Honestly, I cannot tell much difference between Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich and Jellybean. Fonts are about the most standout feature as far as I have noticed.
    True.

    I'm afraid that all things are newer even the ones not really necessary: power adapter.
    Seriously, why do they always make new adapters? (I'm not talking only about Apple but all included).
    Usually the connector is the one that changes just to make it incompatible with older devices, or the power output changes as well.
    So you pay a bit more and the other 10 older adapters (that you probably have from other devices) become crap. But keep in mind that 5V is 5V no matter what that box looks like.

    I know IF you only got the new device... then you need the adapter as well.

    It's good that we got good recycle systems but the fact that the copper price will always go up is a reality. It will approach the price of gold one day who knows... Let's say that aluminium goes up as well since they use it for casing... But a copper Mac ("shut up and take my money" situation) will be more expensive after all.
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