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    iPhone is bigger than all of Microsoft


    So, this story provides a bit of insight into why MS is likely scrambling as much as they are lately and making these significant changes to their OS's and devices.

    With the unveiling of the iPhone 5 expected to come Sept. 12, we were wondering: Just how big is the iPhone?On its own, Apple's iPhone business would be a Fortune 50 company.
    It's also bigger than all of Microsoft(MSFT, Fortune 500). Not just Windows or Office -- the iPhone generated more sales than the entirety of Microsoft's product lineup over the past four quarters.
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    Yes, I know.

    I heard a while back iphone sales first quarter of 2012 were near $23bn allegedly.

    Astonishing.
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    Well, from my own perspective I can see why. I've been on the hunt for what I consider THE pocket device to have for about 30 years. I've been through Wizard Oz, Palm Pilot, Windows CE, Pocket PC. But when I laid my hands on the iPhone4 I said "this is the one". I have a 4S now. To me about as good as it gets. The darn thing does everything a pocket device should.

    I've never been an Apple "fanboy" (I'm a Windows developer) but I got to hand it to them: they got this one right. (I didn't say perfect ... I said right - though it ain't very far from perfect AFAIC). Kudos to Apple on this one.

    -Max
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    To me, looking at it non-partisan, yes apple got it right. But looking at it still non-partisan, it's not really exciting so much anymore. Ooohh, a 4 inch screen, slightly better display and camera with a small dock connector! Really? That's where we're at in society? The platform isn't changing at all, it's only adding a few new features every update. It releases every year, so product obsolesce occurs more than usual, or at least the next release isn't so dramatically different like the iphone 5. Seriously, from a design perspective, it looks like they just stretched out the iphone 4.

    Personally, I just don't get it. I don't get why people sell their kidneys or wear idiotic iphone hats and stand outside a store for days on end just to sit indoors (as the screen isn't too readable outside) and waste your life away downloading apps and dinking around, making the phone look like a human weight.


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    This comes to mind, and it is true.

    Speaking of such, I see a bleak future for apple. The same thing basically happened for them in the 80s with the mac, it was the most popular platform used, a desirable "it" thing to have. As Windows emerged out, people saw that they have a choice, a platform to develop on, and can be used on a huge swath of hardware, all at a lower cost. When faced with cost, cost generally wins over versus the "it" factor, mind you the fanbois don't see that, just take a look at platform usage and you see android being used the most. As Windows grew and expanded into the enterprise, and then expanded into the home, apple was on the brink of failure as they weren't innovating anymore as they did before. That's what I see happening soon for them. They aren't innovating with the new iphone. I was genuinely expecting something to give every high end android phone and my Windows Phone a run for their money, I don't see it. What they're doing is just simply catering to their user base and keeping them with iphone, there's just no...pizzazz anymore. It's just the same as it was six years ago. How do you call that innovation?

    Now android for example, though ripped off by the iphone for a certain company, is out-doing the iphone primarily on cost, which also could be why the platform doesn't have a huge user satisfaction rate.

    Yes, the iphone is a huge deal, but huge deals don't last forever. Just look at Microsoft, 17 years ago, NO ONE though they would be anywhere the way they are today. But I think tides are turning now. If apple keeps focusing with a laser edge on just a few products, everyone and everything will out do them. I see Microsoft rising, with apple waning, and this is at a non-partisan view of things. On one hand, you have a company refreshing everything they have to offer and there are even stories of mac and iphone users loving Windows 8 and Windows Phone. And then you see a company that claims innovation, though they're keeping everything the same. Pretty soon, people get bored and move on....
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    Yes, I have said before - Apple can't keep producing genuinely new ground breaking prodcuts every couple of years.

    No one can.

    They are extending the life of their existing products - e.g by producing updated versions - and - interestingly, by extending the target price.

    They did well with the $399 for last years model thing.

    It would make perfect sense for them to release a 7in version at $299.

    There is a giant opportunity here to take away the pc market as well.

    If Apple did a $600 macbook - it would be massive. Big trouble for MS.

    The difficulty for Apple with that is tho it may a bit better than anything else at $600 - it won't be anywhere near their other macbook things. There is a danger of damaging thir premium image.

    Apple may just decide MS is killing the golden goose all on their own - and that Apple can beat them in tablets anyway.
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    The problem for Apple is they are a hardware company, not a software one. Cutting to the bone on pricing means they start losing money (or at least shrinking growth margins). I don't see them doing this any time soon - they're only going to do things which they see a market void that is ripe for selling slightly more expensive products that are designed well enough to be seen as premium experience devices. It's a good strategy, obviously, but I don't think it's sustainable for an extended period of time. I'm guessing they'll do something good in the coming years to really wow us again, but if they don't, it will be good for their competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    To me, looking at it non-partisan, yes apple got it right. But looking at it still non-partisan, it's not really exciting so much anymore. Ooohh, a 4 inch screen, slightly better display and camera with a small dock connector! Really? That's where we're at in society? The platform isn't changing at all, it's only adding a few new features every update. It releases every year, so product obsolesce occurs more than usual, or at least the next release isn't so dramatically different like the iphone 5. Seriously, from a design perspective, it looks like they just stretched out the iphone 4.
    It hasn't been exciting for quite a few years now for non Apple fans, but the Apple fans seem genuinely impressed and are willing to buy new models. I think it will continue with the iPhone 5.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    What they're doing is just simply catering to their user base and keeping them with iphone, there's just no...pizzazz anymore. It's just the same as it was six years ago. How do you call that innovation?
    A lot of it boils down to application support. Apple with their "one size fits most" mentality, have a solid app market. These apps just run on these devices, unlike the droid marketplace where an application might run on phone 1, 2 and 3, but not necessarily on 4,5 6.

    Also, some consumers really prefer their devices to stay consistent...if it's not broken, don't fix it. Right now, I wouldn't call the iPhone system broken, people buy them like crazy, they love them, they work for them...why would you attempt to make it radically different? If you are Microsoft, you see a need to make a change because the computing market is changing and hence Windows 8 has some radically new design changes. But you also see the outcry from those who prefer that their systems are not changed this dramatically and they want the ability to keep it closer to the way that it was. Unfortunately, MS sees it as "their system is broken", and they are running around like chickens with their heads cut-off to find a way to stop the bleeding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Just look at Microsoft, 17 years ago, NO ONE though they would be anywhere the way they are today. But I think tides are turning now.
    You didn't go back nearly far enough. 17 years ago, it was 1995, and Windows 95 was out and was without question the dominant desktop on the market. Apple marketshare at that point was practically non-existent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    If apple keeps focusing with a laser edge on just a few products, everyone and everything will out do them. I see Microsoft rising, with apple waning, and this is at a non-partisan view of things. On one hand, you have a company refreshing everything they have to offer and there are even stories of mac and iphone users loving Windows 8 and Windows Phone. And then you see a company that claims innovation, though they're keeping everything the same. Pretty soon, people get bored and move on....
    Well, you see this radically different than I do. You see MS being proactive and making a change to crush their competition. I see it as Microsoft realizing their dominance is in jeopardy and no longer are they confident that they can continue milking the cash cow and instead have to radically make changes in order to not be the last person to the party once again and losing their advantage.
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    Heh ... you know what's funny? We're all sitting around talking about the lack of innovation in the iPhone5 and, unless I'm missing something, the thing hasn't even been announced yet. I think that happens tomorrow guys. I kind of hope Apple blows all of the speculation out of the water just for the fun of it.

    Some people consider the Apple phones as non-innovative. Let's try another word. How about "mature"?

    Everybody seems to want the platform to change and show off new "gee whiz" stuff every time it is released. Maybe Apple has decided to remain incremental with their updates right now and continue to solidify the platform and their stake in the market. One article I just read on ZDNet pointed out that Apple's iPhone unit does more business than all of Microsoft! That's HUGE. At this point Apple might be trying to keep the platform stable rather than monkey around with it and take a huge risk. (They're going to let Microsoft take a turn at that this time!) Apple fans tend to be pretty loyal. They're going to sell a bunch of iPhone5's to the installed base. One estimate I read suggested that 70% of the iPhone4/4S user base will upgrade. That's a LOT of phones!

    I'm one of the folks in the user base that has reached a point where I'm, frankly, tired of trading in my unit for the next "gee whiz" item. I sort-of reached my "nirvana" point when I saw the iPhone4 (previous post). I do still like a new gadget as much as anybody and may upgrade to the iPhone5 when my equipment upgrade cycle comes around. However I'm not looking for major improvements, just continued solid performance.

    On the other hand, Microsoft might have a lot to gain or lose with the move they're trying with the Win8/WinPhone 8 platform. They have to get "radical" and "innovative" in order to make inroads into a market that is starting to mature. I'm sure Microsoft recognizes that their days in that market are numbered if they don't do something quick.

    Personally, I don't think Microsoft's success in the mobile handheld market is assured by any stretch of the imagination. The iPhone is a pretty tough act to follow.

    -Max
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    Way back in 2007, the Blackberry was king.... The same thing could heppen to Apple (or any other company)...
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    ^ while it might happen to Apple, it's not going to happen anytime soon. The world is abuzz about the new phone, people are in line, it's sold more than any previous version. It's still a dominant force.
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