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The cost of android? One billion dollars! Muuhahahahahah!!!

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    The cost of android? One billion dollars! Muuhahahahahah!!!


    Well, with the apple-Samsung trial over and done with, to me, it kind of sends a pretty resonating signal to phone makers using android: apple maybe breathing and shaking you down soon. I've read that the cost of patent royalties that would need to be paid to apple in order to properly license them would make a theoretically free to use OS to cost about 40 dollars, which I think might be closer to the cost of using Windows RT.

    I know that Samsung for a fact will be using their GS III phone to port Windows Phone 8 onto as a device to sell. But, if apple continues their tirade against android, Windows Phone will be the only alternative that won't pile legal/patent licensing fees or have the issues that android is known for like SEVERE fragmentation, malware, and developer angst as people illegally sideload and pirate apps as well. Considering that Windows Phone 8 has a theoretical 64 processor core support, three screen resolutions, SD card support, and overall a better platform for developers as it is Windows core and it is regulated; that sounds to me like a good alternative to use. Even more so, WinRT tablets can be developed by the same companies and can be part of a new ecosystem that isn't apple.

    Hopefully, the original epic battle will return to its roots as apple against Microsoft, Goliath and David, as it has been for almost three decades. We all know who wins in that battle...

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    I'm up for my 2 in 2 with Vz in November. You can bet your sweet -> iApple <- that I'll be lQQking into a Windows phone. In fact, my Droid2 screen went to pale white and I'll be going to the store later. I'll play with some Win phones. I want to wait until 8 comes out on them, though.
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    The trial may be over but the appeals process isn't. I wouldn't take any bets until the dust completely settles. MS has been suing Samsung in several countries, the only country Apple has prevailed in is the US.

    The judgement was won against Samsung, not Google/Android so Samsung may need to raise their prices but others won't. That may change but we won't know that for awhile.

    It's too soon to make decisions about which phone OS I'll be running in the future, in the meantime, I'm happy with Android.
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    If apple successfully takes down Google and Android disappears from the marketspace, what we would be left would would be an ecosystem almost exclusively owned by Apple and the iPhone. At present time, Windows phone can hardly even be considered a player in the marketspace.

    And if a Windows phone does indeed because a player, what ensures that they aren't going to be embroiled in the same patent issues. Not all of them, for example, they certainly won't be accused of copying the home screen.

    The patents here were

    • #381 ("bounce-back" when scrolling to the end of a list)
    • #915 (detection of pinch and zoom, versus scrolling)
    • #163 (double tab screen to zoom)
    • D'677 (looking like an iPhone physically on the front)
    • D'087 (looking like an iPhone physically on the back)
    • D'305 (home screen appearance)
    • D'889 (appearance of the iPad tablet physically)


    At the end of the day, it's not like Android couldn't work without some of these features. However, it's obvious these are features that consumers want, the Iphone has and competition feels necessary to include on their devices. I guess the flip side would have been that without those features their phones would not have sold. So, will Windows phone have features so original and compelling that consumers will demand something different than what they demand today?????
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    I programmed pinch to zoom and two finger image rotation about 10 years go on touch screens. Double tap to zoom? How are those things patentable in the first place? My boss and I invented nearly every touch UI interface mechanism as far back as 20-25 years ago. But because we worked for a touch screen company, we didn't patent them, we made programs that demonstrated how to use them to the customers. Virtually all of those patents are bogus. An Apple loving, "America Fck Yeah" jury gave a foreign company the shaft, pure and simple.
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    Yeah, software patents like this disturb me to no end. The are often quite vague and cover the concept, rather than the actual implementation.

    And like you said, so many of these patents come after the fact that everybody is doing it, but nobody bothered to patent it. For example, the fact that MS has a patent on the use of the Page UP/Page Down key on keyboards....nevermind that key that existing and was labeled for years and years and years and apparently did absolutely nothing.

    No, Seriously: Microsoft Patents Page Up & Page Down &mdash; Tech News and Analysis

    Edit: Wonders to myself how many of the jurors own an iPhone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Yeah, software patents like this disturb me to no end. The are often quite vague and cover the concept, rather than the actual implementation.

    And like you said, so many of these patents come after the fact that everybody is doing it, but nobody bothered to patent it. For example, the fact that MS has a patent on the use of the Page UP/Page Down key on keyboards....nevermind that key that existing and was labeled for years and years and years and apparently did absolutely nothing.

    No, Seriously: Microsoft Patents Page Up & Page Down &mdash; Tech News and Analysis

    Edit: Wonders to myself how many of the jurors own an iPhone.
    Given the speed of the decision, I mentally pictured them all filing into the jury room, taking their initial vote, "miraculously" all agreeing then all 12 pulling out their iPhones to check their tweets... Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    I programmed pinch to zoom and two finger image rotation about 10 years go on touch screens. Double tap to zoom? How are those things patentable in the first place? My boss and I invented nearly every touch UI interface mechanism as far back as 20-25 years ago. But because we worked for a touch screen company, we didn't patent them, we made programs that demonstrated how to use them to the customers. Virtually all of those patents are bogus. An Apple loving, "America Fck Yeah" jury gave a foreign company the shaft, pure and simple.
    This is true. Out of ALL the patents apple has requested (patenting architectural design being one of many OUTRAGES), the pinch to zoom and double tap is just stupid. I mean come on.
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    Microsoft could definitely innovate their own gestures that aren't apple patents, they just need to apply themselves a bit more.
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    I agree with all this ill patent subject, the trial, judge, and the iMe jury. Don't forget the word "Metro". This is getting absolutely out of hand. Too many lawyers is what I think. I have a friend that's one and he agrees about all the bogus law suit trials in courts. What a racket!

    Gotta go call him and ask to do a patent search on a square. I want to patent it.
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