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The Pedant or "English as she is Spoke" and correcting it

  1. #21


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    As one of the non-native English speakers here I would like to add my two Euro cents.

    I know I have no right to correct the spelling of a native English speaker, I do too many grammatical mistakes myself. That being said, I have to say that some things in English language never cease to amaze me, take for instance how non-native speakers apparently know better how and when to use "you're" and "your", or how to use "their", "there", "there's" and "they're"; it seems that these are quite difficult words to quite a many native English speakers whereas non-native speakers tend to get them correct. These just as an example, there are quite a many more.

    Even if I understand and speak English enough to understand almost everything, being able to participate in these forums or watch TV and movies, listen to radio and understand everything, I sometimes insult other users due understanding something wrong. A few years back at our sister site the Seven Forums I managed to really misunderstand something and as my response was based on one misunderstood word, I managed to insult a respected group of people, the war veterans.

    True story: We had been discussing about how to get Windows 7 for free, I am not sure but I think it was a thread where someone had donated a free Windows 7 DVD and a member was somewhat upset because he felt it went to wrong address. This member told, that I can remember, that he is "a vet" and could also use a free Windows. For me "a vet" means and I understood it to be a veterinarian, not a veteran. My response was short and insulting, I simply asked "what on earth are you complaining, you most certainly make enough to buy it".

    I was told what the vet in this case meant, apologized and decided to use Google Translate from that day on if least unsure.

    My own written English needs quite often to be corrected and I welcome the native English speakers to point my mistakes out. I have two mother tongues (Finnish and Swedish), I live in Germany and use English in my social circles. In my daily life I use these four languages which almost automatically leads to (sometimes comical) mistakes. Finnish has no prepositions which makes it difficult for me to select the correct one when talking English or German, German has the verb often at the end of the sentence (Ich habe in Berlin mehrere mal gewesen) whereas I have to remember to "re-place" it when translating the same in English (I have been in Berlin several times), a word by word translation creating a funny and grammatically wrong sentence (I have in Berlin several times been), Swedish "Öl" means beer, German "Öl" is oil, in pubs they do not always understand me ordering "Ein Öl, Bitte!". My daily life is full of situations where I use wrong language and terrible grammatics.

    I would like to think I am quite polite here and try see the issue even between the lines, forgetting clumsy and sometimes seemingly arrogant output of other members especially if I think they are suffering from the same disability than I, non-native English. However, if I am sure I have understood everything correctly and think I or another member have been insulted, I tend to response with an insult. Can't help it, it has caused me a few warnings especially at the Seven Forums.

    End of rant.

    Kari

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  2. #22


    United States
    Posts : 3,093
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    Great topic! As I said in another thread, it drives me nuts when I see blatant grammar, spelling and word choice errors. I do it myself but sometimes it is so obvious the person doesn't have a good grasp of the language. I give people whose first language is not English a complete pass though. I respect them for even speaking/writing another language.

    Thing is, if you point out such grammatical errors you're made to feel like a complete jerk. I simply find it another case of the dumbing down of society. Especially when English is a person's primary language. In the US, many schools are even beginning to stop teaching cursive writing. Maybe just a reflection of our technical society I suppose.
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  3. #23


    Posts : 1,875
    Windows 10 Pro Prieview x64


    Kari, I'm UK English and that is what "vet" means to me also. I'd like to claim that the first time I worked in the US I went to a shop said "can I get some fags" meaning cigarettes (fags meaning something else entirely in US English). I wanted to but was too scared to actually do it.

    As for Their/There/They're the only excuse I can give is it was not fashionable to teach grammar in schools in the 70's. Better to let the kids 'learn for themselves'. I still couldn't name once tense or mood in English (I barely know what a verb is) but obviously could in French as I had to learn them.
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  4. #24


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Don't point out mistakes with an attitude of "I'm Superior to you".
    The gentle way is to correct typos in the quoted text.
    Maybe the OP will notice the corrections & do better in the future.

    Being kind & gentle is the best approach in my opinion.

    There are too many people with "superior" attitudes around.

    In my part of the country they are known as "Rednecks" or "White trash".

    Many belong to the KKK or similar White Supremacy groups.

    I can elaborate on this scum if needed.
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  5. #25


    United States
    Posts : 3,093
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Don't point out mistakes with an attitude of "I'm Superior to you".
    The gentle way is to correct typos in the quoted text.
    Maybe the OP will notice the corrections & do better in the future.

    Being kind & gentle is the best approach in my opinion.

    There are too many people with "superior" attitudes around.

    In my part of the country they are known as "Rednecks" or "White trash".

    Many belong to the KKK or similar White Supremacy groups.

    I can elaborate on this scum if needed.
    David, I think the area I live in may have you beat when it comes to the crowd you're speaking of.

    And yea, not being a total douche when correcting someone is a plus. Again, I don't do it most times anymore, isn't worth the possibility of the person blowing up even if nice about it.
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  6. #26


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    I have never gotten a bad response from correcting text in quotes.
    I really try to be nice to posters.
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  7. #27


    Posts : 21
    Win 8.1u1


    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    I have never gotten a bad response from correcting text in quotes.
    I really try to be nice to posters.
    Also, it is critically important to correct any misuse of technical or common terms. If they are not corrected then the whole forum looses value as searching for a topic using the proper terminology fails to find threads where only the incorrect terminology is used or is misspelled.

    If I respond to a post that uses the wrong term for something or misspells the correct term I see to it that I repeat the term correctly in my response so that a search will at least find my reply when it fails to find the original inquiry.
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  8. #28


    United States
    Posts : 3,093
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Dwig View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    I have never gotten a bad response from correcting text in quotes.
    I really try to be nice to posters.
    Also, it is critically important to correct any misuse of technical or common terms. If they are not corrected then the whole forum looses value as searching for a topic using the proper terminology fails to find threads where only the incorrect terminology is used or is misspelled.

    If I respond to a post that uses the wrong term for something or misspells the correct term I see to it that I repeat the term correctly in my response so that a search will at least find my reply when it fails to find the original inquiry.
    That is a bit different. I was talking about general grammar and word usage, not something technically based that could cause misunderstanding when trying to help someone.
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  9. #29


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Dwig View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    I have never gotten a bad response from correcting text in quotes.
    I really try to be nice to posters.
    Also, it is critically important to correct any misuse of technical or common terms. If they are not corrected then the whole forum "loses" value as searching for a topic using the proper terminology fails to find threads where only the incorrect terminology is used or is misspelled.

    If I respond to a post that uses the wrong term for something or misspells the correct term I see to it that I repeat the term correctly in my response so that a search will at least find my reply when it fails to find the original inquiry.
    Hope you don't mind my changing "looses" to "loses"
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  10. #30


    Or gotten to got - lol

    Or "you're speaking of" to "of which we speak"

    Let's close this thread!!!!!!!!!
    (Don't examine my posts to closely !!!)
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