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    It will be interesting to see if merchants all of a sudden come around. When there is a ubiquitous standard, it makes things a lot easier. Like at my gym, they have life fitness equipment and they all have iPod docks on them now. And I bought a new VW and it comes with an iPod cable to connect to my iPod that I don't own.

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    Curious how some are looking forward to the next thing designed to shaft them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I do agree Apple is often late to the table with technologies, like NFC. But if Apple payments really take off, it will be the first time that NFC has really been put to its intended use. So,people will go wild for Apple and their technology.
    I used to work in Application Development in the credit card industry. It doesn't make a difference whether Apple or anyone else has a NFC-based payment solution. It's been out already for a couple of years, but nobody could convince merchants to upgrade.

    There are a ZILLION credit card terminals out there that would have to be replaced with new terminals that have NFC capabilities. So you could wave your NFC device next to it. Sure, merchants can get a new terminal with NFC, but they HATE to upgrade their systems. Many, many have terminals over a dozen years old. Even the ones that were 'required' to be upgraded for security and other reasons.

    It's going to take some time so attrition will slowly replace the current terminals with new ones that have NFC. But new merchants will be sold NFC as the 'have to have' feature, putting the fear of missed sales in their head if they don't upgrade.

    Going to happen, but not overnight. Or maybe not at all.
    Last edited by OldGuyGeek; 11 Sep 2014 at 23:12. Reason: Used quote from earlier entry
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    The question remains whether Apple can get retailers to turn on the NFC machines.

    Some big merchants remain skeptical. Reed Luhtanen, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Wal-Mart's senior director of payments strategy confirmed consumers won't be able to buy things at the world's largest retailer with Apple Pay.

    Best Buy and Wal-Mart are instead backing a retailer-owned mobile technology group called Merchant Customer Exchange, which also counts Target Corp. among its members.
    Source

    Apple may get their Apple Pay off the ground, but it really won’t get anywhere without big retailers whether B&M or online. Google doesn’t seem to be making headway with Google Wallet. It does amaze me how Apple gets trends and fashions going even being late in the game, though.
    The new apple pay apparently will deduct an unknown amount per transaction if apple pay is used.

    Sounds sketchy, more like an apply pay tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    It will be interesting to see if merchants all of a sudden come around. When there is a ubiquitous standard, it makes things a lot easier. Like at my gym, they have life fitness equipment and they all have iPod docks on them now. And I bought a new VW and it comes with an iPod cable to connect to my iPod that I don't own.
    Some merchants apparently have been working together with some other major companies to bring about NFC payment. I think att is one of those companies.

    Speaking of such, I found out that the new card readers at my local Home Depot apparently are NFC enabled! I saw some guy with an android do just this today and I was shocked! There is no indication whatsoever that they are, other than the tap to pay feature on some cards. I shall test this tomorrow. Makes me wonder if most tap to pay readers are actually NFC readers....

    As for the ipod and siri integration in cars, that's a pretty stupid thing to target a statistically small demographic especially with iphones. Why would you make a car with siri integration or iphone integration when the vast majority of users are on android? Beats me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuyGeek View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I do agree Apple is often late to the table with technologies, like NFC. But if Apple payments really take off, it will be the first time that NFC has really been put to its intended use. So,people will go wild for Apple and their technology.
    I used to work in Application Development in the credit card industry. It doesn't make a difference whether Apple or anyone else has a NFC-based payment solution. It's been out already for a couple of years, but nobody could convince merchants to upgrade.

    There are a ZILLION credit card terminals out there that would have to be replaced with new terminals that have NFC capabilities. So you could wave your NFC device next to it. Sure, merchants can get a new terminal with NFC, but they HATE to upgrade their systems. Many, many have terminals over a dozen years old. Even the ones that were 'required' to be upgraded for security and other reasons.

    It's going to take some time so attrition will slowly replace the current terminals with new ones that have NFC. But new merchants will be sold NFC as the 'have to have' feature, putting the fear of missed sales in their head if they don't upgrade.

    Going to happen, but not overnight. Or maybe not at all.
    I agree, just look at how slow retailers have been at getting chip and PIN readers in place. They still have a full year to do so and bet you anything, it'll be all next year stores magically have all new card readers....
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    As far out and wacky this sounds it makes perfect sense heh. Careful watch your back, Microsoft probably read this and was like oh man he has learned too much!



    Thanks for the laugh.
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  8. #18


    I cant wait to trust all of my payments to Apple (leaked pictures anyone), and Home Deport (admits that credit card system was hacked). C'mon, what could possibly go wrong?
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I cant wait to trust all of my payments to Apple (leaked pictures anyone), and Home Deport (admits that credit card system was hacked). C'mon, what could possibly go wrong?
    Have to disagree with this. Security is like a blanketed anti virus. There is no security infrastructure which is 100% bulletproof. You can cover it up with whatever you want, build on top of it, layer it, shield it, monitor activyt, whatever you want to do but there is always a way. I will give you a good example every year or every other year or something Google Chrome offers a money reward to any hacker/person who can directly break the browsers security and guess what, every year it happens.

    Another great example, linux/unix. The operating system to say the least is amazing and beautiful even to some. However, even on a root user account your security can be took down ( to my knowledge not on a regular user, the infection or whatever you want to call it would have to be on the root user but I am no linux/unix expert )

    I see where you are coming from and what you are implying/saying but I had to do that small rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveandpower View Post
    Another great example, linux/unix. The operating system to say the least is amazing and beautiful even to some.
    Tell me about it, I'm an RHCE (Red Hat Certified Engineer).
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