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How many of you also have an Apple computer?

  1. #51


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I've steadfast said, they are not the best products for everybody. But their popularity proves that they are a great device for some. And for many, who own their products, they don't want to use anything else. I think that says a lot.
    Do you see a high percentage of OS X users in real life (friends, family etc), from what I see of the US (mainly TV so not sure how accurate) it seems that they are very popular

    Over here seeing someone with OS X is a rarity, but IOS is totally different, many people here have some form of iOS device

    When I used my MacBook as my main machine, I was the odd one out as everyone else used Windows

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  2. #52


    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    Have you heard Mac users running Windows in BootCamp?
    Yes, there are many people from a Windows background that either have hardware peripherals or software that only runs in Windows that they need support for. Games especially. Developers sometimes need to be able to run IE and other Windows software to test and ensure that the PC users can use what they are developing. This doesn't mean that people cannot get real work done on a Mac thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    The question is why pay MORE and get LESS? I am willing to pay more if I get MORE.
    Who necessarily says you get less. Like I stated above, my MacBook Pro was $1400, but it's also a Core i5, 8GB of RAM, a 256GB SSD that is PCI-Express based, with a battery that goes 8-10 hours, in a 3.5lb package, with a 13" screen that can run at 2560x1440 and has a nifty magnetic power cord which prevents it from falling to the floor when I trip over the cable. My Dell E6430u Ultrabook was actually about $200 more, with a slower SSD, and a 1600x900 screen, but it has a fingerprint scanner, and a physical RJ45 gigabit ethernet port.

    As an IT guy, who supports people with Android, Apple and Blackberry phones...I can assure you that there are apps in the Google Play store that are not compatible with some makes and models of Android. Usually the phone filters those out and you cannot even seen them from the Google Play storefront. But other times, they are listed but either don't work or crash.


    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    One thing many forget while comparing Apple is the price factor. You can't compare iPhone with a cheap Android phone that costs one-fifth of an iPhone. Compare top of the line Android phones with iPhone such as Nexus 5.
    Always have to factor that in, but you are right, many don't. I've heard people say, why would I spend $1000 on a MacBook air when I can get this acer laptop for $399. Welll, there is a significant hardware difference there.

    Same is true of phones. But for some, app support is more important than the # of cores, or the amount of system memory, or the # of megapixels that the camera supports. This doesn't necessarily mean people made the wrong choice or went with the wrong phone.
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  3. #53


    India
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    Windows 8.1, Windows 7, Linux Mint 14


    Who necessarily says you get less. Like I stated above, my MacBook Pro was $1400, but it's also a Core i5, 8GB of RAM, a 256GB SSD that is PCI-Express based, with a battery that goes 8-10 hours, in a 3.5lb package, with a 13" screen that can run at 2560x1440 and has a nifty magnetic power cord which prevents it from falling to the floor when I trip over the cable. My Dell E6430u Ultrabook was actually about $200 more, with a slower SSD, and a 1600x900 screen, but it has a fingerprint scanner, and a physical RJ45 gigabit ethernet port.
    For the exact same price, Macs are going to have less powerful specs. Things in US can be slightly different than in India though. But from whatever I have heard, any Windows machine that costs the same as a particular Mac model, it will have better specs.

    As an IT guy, who supports people with Android, Apple and Blackberry phones...I can assure you that there are apps in the Google Play store that are not compatible with some makes and models of Android. Usually the phone filters those out and you cannot even seen them from the Google Play storefront. But other times, they are listed but either don't work or crash.
    I trust you on this pparks. I was probably wrong. But major apps and a very high percentage of all apps are available on all Android phones (running the latest Android OS and costing anything comparable to an iPhone).

    I don't think I ever will use an Apple machine for any real work. Might try one if I get a chance. I'm trying out Linux and nothing beats Linux on customization. Linux is the thing for me. I love this open-source thing. And Apple is the farthest you can get away from open-source.

    Anyway, lets put a stop on this discussion. It was nice discussing with you pparks.

    Regards,
    Arpan
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  4. #54


    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    For the exact same price, Macs are going to have less powerful specs. Things in US can be slightly different than in India though. But from whatever I have heard, any Windows machine that costs the same as a particular Mac model, it will have better specs.
    Maybe or maybe not. Depends upon how you value certain things.

    Lenovo: X1 Carbon, with Core i5-4300U, 14" 2560X1440 high resolution IPS touch panel, 8GB of RAM, 256GB SSD, Intel HD4400 graphics, 2 USB 3.0, 1 mini display port, 1 HDMI output, with 8.6 hour battery. $1789.00

    MacBook Pro: with Core i5-4300U, Retina display capable of 2560x1440, 8GB of RAM, 256GB PCI-Xpress SSD, Intel Iris Graphics, 2 USB 3.0, 2 Thurderbolt 2 ports with double as mini display ports, 1 HDMI output, SDXC card reader, 9 hour battery. $1499.00

    Dell XPS 13: with Core i4-5200U, 13" 1920x1080 touch screen, 8GB of RAM, 128GB SSD, Intel HD4400 Graphics, 2 USB 3.0 ports, 1 mini display port, $1299.00.

    So, as you can see, the Mac Book Pro fits right between the Dell and the Lenovo. All are around 3.0-3.5lb ultrabooks. Both the Dell and the Lenovo offer Touchscreens. The CPU and memory is the same on all 3, the hard drive is smaller on the Dell, the Lenovo and the Dell don't have a memory card reader. The Dell doesn't offer HDMI.

    Dollar for dollar, the MacBook Pro is priced well. At $1499, try to find a Windows based PC, with a Core i5, at less than 3.5lbs, that has 8GB of RAM, 256GB PCI-X SSD, that can handle 8+ hours, runs Intel Iris Graphics, has ability to run 2560x1440 resolution, has USB 3.0, HDMI, mini display ports, thunderbolt and a card reader. They won't be as cheap as you might think. You won't find anything in the $600-$1200 price range meeting these specs.
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  5. #55


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    Ever heard anybody selling kidney to buy a Windows machine or an Android phone?

    Chinese boy sells kidney to buy iPad and iPhone | Mail Online

    Ever seen a TV show that displays any Windows OEM logo instead of the fruit? I've never seen one literally. Every celebrity seem to be using iProducts with the big iLogo.

    All these things just make me hate Apple even more, especially when you know that when it comes to real work, Apple products can't do a thing. You can't even customize anything that apple thinks you shouldn't. Thanks to Microsoft, now they can do some real productivity with Office for iPad.

    The best you can do in iPhones is jailbreak. What you get after jailbreak? What Android users get even WITHOUT rooting. After you root your Android, you can customize it to your hearts content, even more so if you are into android programming.

    Even without any knowledge of Android programming you can do many, many things. With iPhone you can't even change a theme. Ever heard of the android app 'Themer'? It doesn't even require rooting. There are hundreds of beautiful themes to choose from.

    Yet, somehow iPhone just works! Get a Nexus 5, cheaper and better.
    Hm, I'm going to have to take HIGH exception to this, heh. I actually think of all OSes and platforms as being important in some way, and I've even tolerated DroidOS and it's fanatics so a certain degree.

    But Even before I Jailbroke my first 1st-Generation iPhone in 2009, I had all kinds of things I can do. FileExplorer, allowed you to connect right to any Mac or PC on your network, once you set up the connection, BINGO it's always there. From the moment I had even the original iPhone it became the center of my Home Network, from which I connect to from all points in my house and even outside of my house in some cases. Teamviewer and VNC Viewer. VLC Remote. VLC, which had an iOS version LONG before there was a Droid "Nightly" and you cannot even get the Betas for VLC/Droid from the US Store. On a junky crappy, battery-only-lasts-3-hours Droid? You gotta ROOT it to get ESFileExplorer to connect as easily.

    Droid is the crappiest KNOCKoff FakeOS I've ever had the privilege of Giving AWAY cos the device sucked SO much hahaha. And I remember Steve Job's words as he considered a G-Phone for the first time: "It looks like an iPhone, it works like an iPhone, it IS an iPhone, therefore I must sue the crap out of these folks for Copyright infringement". And I don't consider myself as appalled over Droid Devices as Mr. Jobs ever was. Plus, I got an iPad Mini for Xmas from my Brother, it actually stays charged for a day instead of requiring THREE charges per day like my RockChip M7088 did. So I GAVE the Rockchip Tablet to one of my friends, and she gets to use it for 3 hours before having to do a full recharge now. Also, "Capacitive Touch" what the crap is THAT? It SUCKS. More like Crapacitive Touch and Touch and Touch again until it figures out that you are pressing the damn screen!

    Even Galaxies, I went out one night, and while all of my friends with Galaxies with all of the whistle-bells had DEAD devices cos their power drained out, I still had over 50% power left, so *I* had to take all the pix.

    Everything that's on a Droid was on an Apple Device first and better, even the rooted stuff. I tried that "Theming" app you mentioned, it's CACK. I just stuck with the default theme.

    The difference between iOS and Droid is mainly Apple makes you work like hell to Jailbreak and Keep it that way. Can you Root EVERY Droidevice you've ever had your hands on? NOPE. Only the most expensive ones get the attention of the guys over on that site who make the Rooting Tools.

    That's because they made the tools OPEN SOURCE, which was the biggest mistake ever, you do NOT go publishing the exact exploits you had to rooting or jailbreaking a device, so the whole DroidOS Fanboy scene got screwed up by Open Source, and now, it's harder to actually FIND a working rooting tool for a lot of devices.

    Anyway that is my rant, it ain't against you, Arpan, I hate, loathe and despise this "Fanboy Attitude" be it from Cult of Droid or from r/Jailbreak, which hardly ever happens BTW. Apple users are more prone to also use Droid devices and connect them all together, than hard core Droid slavering fanatics are to use Apple Products, they get locked into this thing, defending their devices and Jellobean and Kit Kat bars. That's why I don't hang out at the Droid spots, too antagonistic. Every so often a DroidOid peeps into r/Jailbreak and know what happens? We start talking to them, eventually they realize we really DON'T hate Droids, we hate the Cult.

    But regarding Apple iOS - Sure they force you to get the latest iOS, and it is harder than hell for the 4 guys in the world who know how to make a Jailbreak to keep their Exploits hidden from Apple, but it is one secure iOS. And we've pwned every iteration of it so far save for 7.1, which will get pwned later once we JB iOS 8.

    There are only two months out of the year that you can safely experiment with your Jailbreak, two months to lock it down and get rid of any problems, cos the rest of the year, we have to keep it Locked Down. But if you look at it another way, Apple failed to patch 6 iterations of iOS 7.

    I'd rather it be this way, then having the code stumbling all over the net, in a free for all like it is for Droid tools. - Because I ran into some interesting Viruses that were disguised as "Rooting Tools" - With the last rendition of the Jailbreak Tools eVasi0n, you knew there was ONLY one tool and only one place to get it from. Also, EVERY apple device from the last 2 years is able to be updated to the latest iOS, it's choice - When you buy a Droid, you can only update OTA from whoever made the device.
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  6. #56


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Dollar for dollar, the MacBook Pro is priced well. At $1499, try to find a Windows based PC, with a Core i5, at less than 3.5lbs, that has 8GB of RAM, 256GB PCI-X SSD, that can handle 8+ hours, runs Intel Iris Graphics, has ability to run 2560x1440 resolution, has USB 3.0, HDMI, mini display ports, thunderbolt and a card reader. They won't be as cheap as you might think. You won't find anything in the $600-$1200 price range meeting these specs.
    As I told Mr Coke Robot several times, the best Windows machines I EVER had the privilege of working on, were Bootcamped Macbook Pros. The guys who own em are Mechanics, Architects, etc, I installed all kinds of Professional Software for em, both Mac and PC.
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  7. #57


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    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    There is something special about Apple that makes me hate it (more than I should). As I said before, born to hate Apple.
    Apple and You were not meant to be together in this life! Until you meet again next time?

    GL & Cheers
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  8. #58


    Quote Originally Posted by paulsalter View Post

    Do you see a high percentage of OS X users in real life (friends, family etc), from what I see of the US (mainly TV so not sure how accurate) it seems that they are very popular
    It is not rare to see someone with a Mac, but they are not popular either. From the people I know, maybe 1 in 15 uses OS X.
    Last edited by z31fanatic; 13 Apr 2014 at 09:25.
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  9. #59


    Two months ago we bought our first MAC computer. A late 2013 Macbook Pro. The only other Apple product we had was my wife's iPhone.
    I am starting to get the hang of it and it seems easier to learn than Linux (tried Ubuntu and Mint but couldn't get into it).
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  10. #60


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    I'll tell you, MACOS and MACOSX are nice clean OS's - The only drawback is lack of available Programs, but even with that limitation, it's relatively easy to get around. There are hundreds of thousands or more available programs for PC and most of them work from Windows 2000 through Windows 8.1.

    Basically the rule is "Anything that could run on Windows XP can run on 8 and possibly 8.1 as well"- There are a few exceptions. I do not count Windows 8/8.1 "Apps" as valid Programs. At this point, they are a curiosity, a novelty: some of them useful, but mostly not. As I said before, Angry Birds for Windows 8 is GREAT- I think it is the best "App" there is, it is made well, it runs well, and it looks really good.

    In contrast to the lack of Programs available to the MAC Desktop user, the "i-Rony" is this: It's that iPhones have the largest amount of useful "Apps" of the "App" class, although I don't put iOS or Android Apps in the same class as Windows 8 Apps. The most popular iOS apps have been ported to Droid as well. But they were all made for iPhone first, so when Droid reared it's head, there was an instant market for these apps.

    [rant and reflection]
    When I got my first iPhone 1st Gen it was a curiosity, but it had this little thing you could do that was potentially very powerful: You could connect it to your LAN with a decent built in WiFi adapter.

    I had a Palm Treo 650 and then 700 for almost 6 years, and I thought it was a great Mobile Phone, it had a little Web Browser, Albeit slow and hard to use, but I could post on BBS's and even pay bills and such. I could even take some decent pics and Videos, the sound was not too good, and I had a great Music player app and I could plug it into my Car Stereo and it sounded great. I even had a Money program I used to keep track of my bills.

    But that 1st Gen iPhone, it was MORE than just a Mobile Phone, it was a whole computer in my pocket. It had a better camera, it could take GREAT videos, and it had a better browser in it and I could use Mobile Safari as well as I could use IE in my PC. And I didn't even have it Jailbroken, I discovered a cheap 3 dollar app called 'SkyJos File Explorer" which little did I know later would become the very HEART of my Home LAN: Even when I first got it, I could add my networked PC's to it and have it remember the connections, and I could pull up documents and even Movies and MP3 files out of my PCs and view/play them in FileExplorer's native viewer. And shortly after that, I discovered another app called "VLC Remote" and it took me 3 seconds to hook it up to any running instance of VLC running on my PCs. Then, I discovered "VLC Streamer" and "Plex" and I was suddenly able to stream my Movies right into the device, and using Plex I could do it through the Carrier- It was Low Res back then, but it worked!

    And although it had only 8gb of storage and there was no way to connect it to an SD card, I really didn't need it, cos I had the WiFi adapter and I could connect to my LAN. But then my cat puked on it, and killed it, while I was waiting for a replacement, my brothers' wife gave me hers, but I could not activate it- So I took it to a Phone Store and they Jailbroke it for me for 30 bucks.

    This was way back when Jailbreaking was a complex 74-step procedure, so I didn't mind burning 30 bucks for a JB. So for my birthday, my brother bought me a whopping 32 GB iPhone 4 - And then a month later, there was this website called "Jailbreakme.com" which was a huge innovation - You no longer had to do those 74 steps, it used the Mobile Safari in the device, through a PDF exploit, and it was jailbroken in seconds.

    When I had that 4 I realized exactly how powerful the device was especially after it was Jailbroken, it wasn't just Theming, I could Tether my Laptop to it through the WiFi using a Tethering app, and although it was a slow 3G connection, it was still good enough to do any emergency browsing while I was away from home and needed to use my Laptop.

    I left that 4 with iOS 5.1.1 on it, Jailbroken with Absinthe and I sold it for 400 bucks, and I bought a 4S, with that Dual Core A5 it is faster than some PCs of mine from the 90's-2000's running Windows 98 or 2000/XP. The only drawback is that it only has 512mb of Ram, the new ones all have at least a GB.

    It worked best when I had iOS 6 on it- By the time I got the 4S, Apple did this crappy thing to it's users: They started SIGNING the Operating Systems, so you could no longer install any iOS that was not the current one. I had never heard of such a thing being done, but it was clear evidence of the war between the Jailbreakers and Apple. There used to be ways we could save our SHSH blobs, stitch an old version of IOS and put it back in, but then apple added a new level of security to block that even.

    I've had iOS 7 in my devices since Christmas, when the eVasi0n7 Jailbreak was released, but now iOS 7.1 blocks that, so I am stuck at 7.0.6 for another year. I refuse to be forced to update if i don't want to.

    Despite all of this, I like the iPhone iOS much more than Droid Jellybean or KitKat (IS that the right name of 4.4?) - I just think overall, even without a Jailbreak, iOS looks better and runs better. Even without a Jailbreak, I can still do a lot of stuff I wasn't able to do 5 years ago. I keep my Repair Tools in my iPhone, I connect it up to any LANs where I am working, and I drag out ISO images I have in there, through a Jailbreak app called iFile which has a WebDav server in it. But once again, even if I did not have a JB device, I can still use the Webdav built into File Explorer, all you need is the Phone's IP address on the Lan and you can log into it using the port, and download what you need.

    So when it comes down to it, Mac, PC, Droid, iPhone, they are all valid parts of any toolkit for Business, I can even Print using Non-Air Printers if I have certain apps that support certain Printer Brands. These Mobile Devices, they are no longer only phones, they are Offices.

    All except for Windows RT devices, It's been a year since Windows 8 has been out, really fully out in public, and I still don't see that much improvement with the quality of the apps available, there HAS been an increase in quantity - From Chinese developers selling VLC clones for 10 bucks, that you can't try out.

    And I have said this all along, I don't HATE the Metro aspect of Windows 8 0 In some ways it is really cool and interesting. It's just that I don't think Microsoft is picky enough about what they let into their store. Apple is really finicky about any app, because it cannot break out of the "Sandbox" - If any app shows that it accesses, the rootFS of iOS and gives that access to the user, they refuse to approve it.

    So I just don't think Microsoft has set up it's own standards for store apps, not even after a year. I wish it was not this way, but it is. And because of this, there is a Superfluity of really bad Metro Apps that you can NOT "try". Because of this superfluity of mundane apps, it is very difficult to find anything real useful, so I depend on Word of Mouth.

    Now with Apple, if you do not like an app, you can ask for your money back, I've done this. Can you do it with the MS Store? I've always thought that Windows 8 is great and has great possibilities, but there has to be a better store environment.
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