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Apple iPhone/iPad users: iOS 7 Jailbreak is here!

  1. #11


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    You actually agree that a macbook running Bootcamp is a better PC than a PC? Hahaha. It's true though. If they had any Touchscreen macbooks, windows 8 would be a better OS for it than Maverick. Hahaha. If we could just import the iTunes App Store into Windows 8, then 8 would be the perfect OS. I basically gave up on the Windows Store maybe 3 months ago, I want nothing to do with it, they have nothing to offer me in terms of Productivity.

    I wholeheartedly agree with iOS 7, but iPad Minis? It's thinner than my iPhone 4S. It runs hours longer than an original iPad. I don't need to store any content on it, I can connect right to any content I want through Wifi, or Tethered to my iPhone when I am not at home, I have access to all that is in my iPhone via iFile WebDAV.

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  2. #12


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I don't PERSONALLY believe that, it was made known a while ago in this one article I read about which PC was the best for Windows 8. But it's true nonetheless, a clean copy of Windows 8.1 is better than an OEM customized copy of Windows with crapware galore.

    The Windows Store DOES have productivity apps in it, like all of Adobe's creation software...
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    But the thing is, to have a Windows Store listing for Desktop apps, they need to meet requirements like being digitally signed and whatnot.

    Eight inch tablets are something I will never understand. The Dell Venue Pro 8 is a prime example of what the hell? It's an Atom based PC and an 8 inch screen. Effectively, you really need to stay in the Modern UI of things because you can't properly use the Desktop with a screen that small. You can, but you have to keep open windows maximized and use the stylus for sure to interact with it. That's a form factor size IDEAL for Windows RT with ARM...but I guess not. Then there are the giant phablets out there... People want giant smartphones and smaller tablets. LOGIC.
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  3. #13


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I don't PERSONALLY believe that, it was made known a while ago in this one article I read about which PC was the best for Windows 8. But it's true nonetheless, a clean copy of Windows 8.1 is better than an OEM customized copy of Windows with crapware galore.
    This is true enough, every HP or Samsung or Sony or Packard Bell (if they still make those) computer is chock-full of wild tangent crapola. After I get my hands on say a new HP, and I delete every vestige of that garbage including the HP software that is supposed to be helpful I just take it all out except for anything that that controls the buttons or something. THEN, and only then, do I have a machine that is very close to the speed of a MacBook Pro running Boot Camp. But it's not just the speed of a Windows OS running on a MacBook, it's just that the hardware that they have in the thing is better hardware then what you can normally get for a PC.

    The Windows Store DOES have productivity apps in it, like all of Adobe's creation software...
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    But the thing is, to have a Windows Store listing for Desktop apps, they need to meet requirements like being digitally signed and whatnot.
    That is, if you can FIND THEM. The window store is very difficult to navigate: it is not sectioned off properly, there are no categories really- well, there are categories but they are not laid out properly, so that when you start searching through the media apps, you will see the same crappy one dollar - $10 apps (that usually have no trial so you can determine if you really want to waste your money on it ) that are in the productivity section and they are all garbageware. Garbageware made by basically the same guy if you look at whoever makes it, and even when there are different names, the names represent the same guy. it is the same person who made about 50 VLC related apps that have nothing to do with VLC whatsoever, and they all cost $10, and they are all worthless according to everybody who posts a review- because they were suckered into buying it and now there is no refund.

    On the other hand, the Apple Store when you look into the categories you do not see the same apps repeated over and over again, you'll see very different apps in every section. And, there are always free versions that you can install just to get the feel of it and I have bought a lot of apps because they had free versions.

    Now I am sure that there are useful productivity apps in the window store but somebody is going to have to make me a roadmap so that I can be led directly to the download page because I don't have time to spend 2 1/2 hours searching for them because that's what you have to do, they are not evident when you try to go into the area where you think that they are going to be. And the search function it does not reveal the programs that you were looking for it reveals the garbageware- because the creators of the garbageware apps have set it up so that their garbage will show up instead of the useful product that you were searching for. This has never ever happened to me in the Apple Store, every time I have searched for a specific item I get that item only in the results and not all of the copy garbage apps.


    Eight inch tablets are something I will never understand. The Dell Venue Pro 8 is a prime example of what the hell? It's an Atom based PC and an 8 inch screen. Effectively, you really need to stay in the Modern UI of things because you can't properly use the Desktop with a screen that small. You can, but you have to keep open windows maximized and use the stylus for sure to interact with it. That's a form factor size IDEAL for Windows RT with ARM...but I guess not. Then there are the giant phablets out there... People want giant smartphones and smaller tablets. LOGIC.
    Okay I see it's the size that you're complaining about. Well I've never owned an original iPad. I have full around with my brothers iPad and I liked it because I can sit at his kitchen table and I have a little computer there that I can just sit there and manipulate it's really nice. But it weighs almost a half a pound and is very bulky.

    However it does feel like you got something of quality and your hands but when I picked up this iPad mini out of the box it's less than an eighth of an inch thick and weighs like a few grams, a little less than my iPhone 4S. and the screen I mean it's not even a retina screen and it does not hurt my eyes.

    But Innoway I was prepared for the smaller screen because at the beginning of December last year I bought a "double power" (DoPo) 7 inch tablet- which was actually a rockchip M7088, there are about $200 tablets I got that one for $70, on Black Friday because I was going to buy a TRIO tablet from RadioShack but I didn't get there in time. Those were $50 and they had a dual core processor but only 512 ram.

    So I got on Amazon and started licking 47 inch tablets I found the dopo M7088, it was 1.6 GHz, 1 GB of RAM, it had the HDMI output and a slot for a 32 GB card. But mostly is that it was on sale for 70 bucks so I bought it immediately.

    But when I got it I couldn't believe the level of cheapness it was just very shoddy merchandise, the power adapter was a mini barrel adapter very easy to manhandle and mess up, and indeed I tripped over the power cord and I bent the connector.

    And to top it off I could not root it, it was resistant to rooting because when I brought it up into the rooting software before I even tried to root it, it said that it was already rooted but it was not rooted, as there was no root access whatsoever!

    And then I went to my Christmas party at my in-laws house and I had just been joking with my brother that I kind a wanted an iPad and he suggested I get an iPad mini and I said well I can't afford to pay for one outright, but I could make payments. so what does he do? he gives me an iPad mini for Christmas!

    And I kept on using the M7088, as I had some programs installed on it, remote programs I was using it to control my TV and it was okay but it has a capacitive touchscreen and it would make you tap several times before I recognize the tap!

    But when I set up the iPad and moved my programs into it it was like butter! I barely had to tap on the screen it had much cooler animations and regardless of only having 16 GB it was just a much better tablet then the DoPo- so I bundled up that the dope oh I installed some useful programs into it that I removed all my information and I gave it to my friend and she loves it - she's never had a tablet in her life she thinks it's like the coolest thing in the world but she's never had an iPad.

    I'll say that there were a couple of neat things I could do with the M7088, but maybe four days after I got the iPad mini, the Evad3rs jailbroke iOS 7 so I'm still learning what I can do with this thing, I've installed so many modifications and I've got so much more use out of it now.

    But lately I have been bringing this thing with me out to work. The smaller size allows me to stick it right in my leather jacket pocket. I have installed tetherme into my iPhone 4S, so I can use Bluetooth to connect my iPad to my iPhone, and that gives my iPad access to everything that my iPhone can do everything except maybe a dialer but I suppose I could get some software that would do that too.

    I'm still sorting out what I can do but I've found this thing very useful out in the field- I can access it to bring up files that are stored on my home computer, and I can move them into the computer where I am working and that is a very useful service. I could not do that with the droid tablet. Also the droid tablet was brand-new but it only had a droid version 4.1 jellybean on it! You would think a brand-new droid device would have the very latest droid operating system on it.

    But that's not how droid devices are, they put the operating system in there that's going to run the best on that device- which is kind of lame. In fact I think Droid is kind of lame, except for a couple of devices where I saw 4.4 running and that looks like a pretty good operating system right there, it is at least way better than 4.1.

    But the more that I used iOS 7 especially in my iPhone work where I had not intended to install it- The more I realize it's a much better operating system iOS 6. It just gives you different ways to use Bluetooth then existed in iOS 6 more useful ways, I can connect Bluetooth hard drives mice and keyboards which I could install on iOS 6 but not with such ease.

    Still between my two Apple devices and their connection to two windows eight computers, one Mac PowerPC with 10.5.8, and a Windows 7 machine, I rarely have to move out of my chair when I'm working on something, I used to have to get up constantly and move between computers but this way I've got everything right at my fingertips, it has been coming in handy at home, but yesterday I found out it is more than handy out in the field as I can do the same thing with client computers too, and I can connect to my home computers as well- so when I'm out in the field I've got full use of all of my systems, local and remote.

    The arguments about the windows store versus the Apple Store, that's moot, also it's a preferential thing. Because they build these stores and these services right into the device and the operating system. they kind of wanted windows eight on a PC to act more like a device so they included the store, and it has been, what, two years now? And the windows store is not any more useful to me now that it was the first time I looked through there and tried to find useful programs.

    But as far as the operating system I'll use Windows 8 probably longer then I used Windows 7, and I still use that.

    You see, if Windows 8 was an experiment on getting more cross-platform usage, then it was a smashing success, regardless of if the store sucks or not. I consider the windows store the least useful aspect of Windows 8. But the high usefulness of every other part supersedes the uselessness of the store.

    Whereas in iOS six or seven, even iOS one through five, The store is simply there to allow you to load the programs that you have gotten used to using. Which, by now, as a set list of programs: because I don't go searching for things in the Apple Store either- because I know what I need and I know what I want, I just go straight in and I get my programs and then I'm out of the store.

    However I use the Cydia store several times a day, I am always looking through there for new modifications. I think I have bought more paid cYdia modifications then I have bought regular Apple Store apps, heh.
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  4. #14


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Anyway I am still using Windows 8, I only have 8.1 installed on a test machine so I don't get the benefit of the newer store items- The way Microsoft has rigged it is that they try to force you to upgrade to 8.1. And I really don't want to upgrade to 8., I like Windows 8 just fine, I think it's a great operating system! I don't see any need to upgrade.

    So that is probably half of the reason why I have trouble looking through the store because the things that are available in Windows 8.1, are either not there in Windows 8 or you can't install them.
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  5. #15


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    See, I call BS on the ios app store not having repeated garbageware. You can go and search for "notepad" and get all sorts of the same thing over and over. I remember when ios 2 came out and looked through all the new apps, there were LITERALLY apps that did the same thing that the OS already did, like calendar or calculator and all that junk.

    The Windows Store is too young and needs to mature for sure, but it's a beneficial aspect of Windows. It means the apps you download from it either Win32 or WinRT are checked and verified to be safe and malware free, something that has ALWAYS plagued Windows up until now.

    Since I last replied to this thread, they changed up the Store UI so categories are left and center of your attention with picks related to apps you have downloaded in view. But still, it needs improvement design and aggregation wise.

    The thing with 8 inch tablets is that seriously, I don't get why no one has decided to put in a GSM or CDMA radio in an Atom based Windows 8 tablet and called it a day. Better yet, make a 7 inch phablet that runs full Windows on the Atom processor. It's like...device redundancy to me. A 6 inch Windows Phone and an 8 inch Windows PC make no sense to me to have when you can just easily combine the two device's capabilities into one. That's just me.
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  6. #16


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    But WHY would you even look for "Notepad" in the iOS store? You know it will never be there.

    I'm not saying that the junk apps are not there, it's easier to FIND apps that have Productivity value, compared to Windows 8.

    Look, you have to have experience browsing these stores, if you use the Apple store a lot, then you KNOW how to word a search. And it becomes plain what wording will work only after a few tries. But the Windows Store, well I am still trying different wording.

    It's because the Apple Store uses a search engine more like Google, and Windows Store uses a BING style search. And if you don't know already, BING sucks.

    Any iOS user knows where to go in which category to find useful apps. The thing I trust in both the Apple store and the Windows store, is the RATING system. So, when you are looking for apps, it is easy to find which apps are really Bogus in IOS, because the ratings will reflect it.

    The same goes for Windows store, but whereas there will be a lot of apps with good ratings to choose from, in the Windows store, they practically all have bad ratings because there are all fake apps. The VERY FEW good apps you posted about are the ONLY apps that are good.

    I found ONE and only one good app, Angry Birds Space, in the Windows Store. It is an excellent game. But I have not found any useful apps, not in a year of searching.

    But on my iPhone I have 250 ALL very useful apps, and 90 all very useful apps on my ipad Mini. in all of my Windows 8 machines I have ZERO useful apps, because some genius at MS thought they better FORCE me to update to Windows 8.1 to get them, which IO will not do.

    Meanwhile the Jailbreak is in Full Swing, it is the biggest JB ever, I would guess over 80 million have used it so far, last year it was about 40 million UNIQUE device IDs. This year, they are not saying, but it is way larger I can feel it.

    So, they got Winterboard finally cooking, and now I have a dynamic Wallpaper of my own design gracing my Lockscreen and Home Screen. And I got my Unlock Sound happening back again- iOS 7 does nto have an UNLOCK sound dont ya know?

    The thing I realise now, is that despite how CRAPPY ioS 7 looks in it's original state, ALL of the conventions that allow cool graphics are STILL there, and now I got em back.

    I got my Weather Widget back, and now I can flck an icon up to clear out some RAM using "FreeRam7" ad an icon flick down or sideways will tell me my exact battery level, and current draw. and just yesterday, they fixed the Animated Bootlogos.

    So Little by Little the very useful Trek like PADD I used to have in iOS 6, I'm getting back. The only thing that bugs me is the battery drain on my 4S, but I'll find out what is causing it, and I'll shut it off, which I can do with iCleaner- You can shut off any of the system Daemons, like the OTA update daemon, the useless Wiebo and Chinese Networks Daemon, even crash logs if you don't use em.

    So, while Drioders have chopped off their toes by insisting on developing a full OPEN SOURCE Rooting Program, what has happened is that it is even harder too root a Droid than it ever has been, before the exploits were "open source".


    There is a Lobby of people who want Open Source for iOS Jailbreak, but I vehemently oppose this, seeing the mess it made of the Droid rooting community. The people pushing for full disclosure of the exploits forget that NOT ALL exploits are used UP each time Apple breaks the Jailbreak, there are still several very valuable exploits left over each time, and these go into the next Jailbreak Package.
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  7. #17


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Actually, the way Bing and google do search is similar, the way the Windows Store does searching seems like it's more based off of exposure, downloads, and ratings. For example on Windows Phone, if I type in "youtube" it'll pull up MetroTube, which is BY FAR the best youtube client app I've ever seen or used on any platform. It also exists on Windows 8 and 8.1, but it needs better UI tweaking to make it more usable. Even though MetroTube isn't titled YouTube or anything like that, the keyword in the app description does and pulls that up.

    If I can't find a notepad app on ios from typing in "notepad," that's a problem.

    If I type in "notepad" in the Windows Store, I get a whole plethora of notepad type apps.
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    Now the question is what one of these is the best? That's something I'd need to find out on my own but I don't need to since I have OneNote.

    Honestly, if you haven't found a decent app or two on Windows 8/8.1 after a year, I don't think you're trying hard enough. I've found quite a few of them but for my preferences, most are internet content from a desktop designed website into a nice little reader app. There are so many file explorer apps that are pretty decent, MetroTube is the best youtube app I've used (although it doesn't have the advert APIs and will have to revert you to the actual site), OneNote's awesome, and the Bing apps are perfect.

    I've never understood the android community and rooting the handsets and even dual booting android versions or even different platforms. It's a smartphone, I want to call, text, and get interweb content quickly and easily. It's not really a PC.
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  8. #18


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    The Problem with wanting a MS name brand item is, that the Native "Notepad" app in iOS is MORE than Sufficient.

    1) It connects to the CLOUD
    2) You can retrieve any note from any PC of Apple Device using your iCloud account
    3) It's so dumb and so simple that it's actually USEFUL

    And - I liked it BETTER when it had the "Yellow Lined Paper" and font that looked like handwriting.

    But you should not be LOOKING for Notepad in ANY Apple Device, what you need to be looking for is called

    "Microsoft ONENOTE"

    Which shows up instantly in a search, and hey it is even "Native" on iOS 8 and iOS 8.1 too.

    That way, when you dont have a Printer and need to print something, you save it into OneNote, then connect OneNote to YOUR cloud. Boom then the iTem is IN your device within seconds.

    I use the PRINT function to get it in there.

    Then I drive around until I find a Copy Shop that has Airprint Frenziedly Machines, and I print up my hard copy there.

    I have to do that once a month with all of my Bills, why do I wanna buy a 99 cent app when I have a good solid structure for moving GOOD copy between computers, iOS devices and Printers?

    But looking at BING vs Googol

    Googol WINS. Because Bing gives you basically nothing results, while Googol will give you every relevant related item, in the order of thousands of useful results.


    Besides, I figure I am as dedicated to Microsoft as you are but I am PRACTICAL - the Windows OS is what I use, but all of my Cloud Work is done on Apple Devices, who created this form of computing. So I do not Praise Microsoft for EVERY aspect of an OS, because not all aspects of an OS are Non-Suck. Microsoft already had the Premiere OS: Windows 7 Ultimate. It was,m and still is, the best OS ever made.

    But - They ABANDONED it, for 8. And in 8 they handed us a steaming pile of Count Dooku. Tey gave us hald a desktop OS and half a Mobile OS, when they shoudl have stuck to STRICTLY a Desktop OS.

    And, the people who have accepted Windows 8, like me,. STILL do not use the Metro Side, and in fact I remove it with ex7forWin8. Because it has nothing I want, I looked for a year, so now I have blocked it off permanently like. NOT TO MENTION - Microsoft created a MAJOR UPDATE in LESS than a year and then FORCED it upon us - Which is why HP is suddenly making Windows 7 PCs again. Don;t you agree that traffic on this site has increased exponentially since 8.1? When it was JUST 8, three were maybe 5 new posts per forum a day, under 8.1 it has been 30 to 100 new posts daily. When a Help Site like these forums gets a sudden influx of MEGA traffic, it means Microsoft made a Sucky Sucky OS.

    It was basically a BAD Idea, but they pushed it anyway, just like making iOS 7 BLAND was a VERY Bad Idea, but in fact underneath the BLAND is a nice, fast iOS.


    Apple created Cloud Computing - No - That's not quite right - Apple used it FIRST, but Hedy lamarr created it all, Wifi, BlueTooth, and Pulse Width Modulation, and using those to transfer digital info.
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