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  1. #31


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    Hi there

    If it works and is fit for purpose - what's wrong in using it -- same deal as I have with the Surface pro 3 -- expensive but suits me down to the ground.

    The cheapest options aren't always the best -- and even if buying more expensive kit isn't the best bang for buck --if it's for YOU so what if you can afford it and like the device --you aren't placing an order for 150,000 of these for a world wide large company.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #32


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    This one's a cheat by two measures, screen resolution and price and the fact it's a previous gen, but the VIZIO CT14-A4 14-Inch Thin + Light ultrabook. Can be bought for $540.
    Yes, now that you can get one for about $450 less than it used to retail for, it's an attractive and cheap option. The keyboard gets tons of complaints and Vizio quality right now is a big unknown. They have a little ways to go with their drivers and such, apparently they are all EXE's you have to install and then they all show up in Add/Remove programs for each and every one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Barely meets the requirements but a few ounces, the Asus Zenbook Prime Touch UX31A-BHI5T. Starts at $1,200
    Right, so it's right in the territory of Apple computers that people say are way overpriced. That's my point is that when you get close to the same spec of hardware price is about the same. A 13" rMBP starts at $1300.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    This one takes the cake and of course from my preferred lovely brand of ASUS, the Zenbook UX303LA-DB51T touch ultrabook. Base price is at $899, and can go up to $1,227.97 if you go with an i7, 12 gigs of RAM, 256 gig SSD (can't tell you the speed), an NVIDIA GTX840M with 2 gigs of VRAM displaying out to a 13.3" Quad-HD touchscreen display at 3200 x 1800 resolution and can last a good 8 hours. All in all weighs in at 3.2 pounds. What a beast! A slim, well built, very reasonably priced Windows touch based PC mind you that I would LOVE to do a clean install of Windows 8.1.1 with!
    That is a nice laptop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The closest thing like that from apple will have to be 15 inch macbook pro and 16 gigs of RAM since they only have 8 or 16 to choose from, no in between options as per usual.
    Yeah, in between 8 and 16 isn't something that most computers come with. Always wished Apple had more system configuration options. They are very much into 1 size should fit all. That has it's pros and cons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    At least the Surface Pros come with a pen. I joke, but it doesn't seem like it's that much of a big deal if they have yet to do much about it three gens later. If losing the pen was a mass problem, the Pro 2 would have fixed that.
    Yes, getting the pen in the box on the pro is nice. I'm always checking to be sure that I still have my pen with my Gen 1. I do use the pen a fair amount as the 1920x1080 screen can get downright small. Unfortunately, I don't write much with the pen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Honestly, I've never said apple makes crappy hardware or anything like that, they do make real solid hardware. That's been what makes the apple name is their hardware (with some exceptions here and there, like the iphone, horribly overbuilt). Their software is utter shite however. I wouldn't be against taking a mac and making it into a Windowtosh PC. I do hear however, the macs have the best touchpads that have some nice gesturing capabilities with mac os. But what do I care for them? All those fancy gestures the touchpad was designed for are as useful as a box of paper clips.
    I don't find OSX bad. I've been quite happy with it. I don't use a lot of the other Apple software. But things like iPhoto is a lot better than what Windows comes with my default. You cannot customize it much, but I'm fine with that. I just want to pick up the computer, use it and put it down. I work with computers all day at work, I'm getting further and further away from at home tinkering. Gesture support is great, I use a lot of them. The touchpad on my Mac is far better than any PC I've ever used. The thing I love more than anything, instant sleep and instant wake up. That's why I really like my Mac. I pull it out, hit 2 or 3 forums, and close the lid. It lasts for days. With that said, I'm not switching to Apple for everything. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. I'm happy with my purchase, but I'm not a diehard fan.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    This one's a cheat by two measures, screen resolution and price and the fact it's a previous gen, but the VIZIO CT14-A4 14-Inch Thin + Light ultrabook. Can be bought for $540.
    Yes, now that you can get one for about $450 less than it used to retail for, it's an attractive and cheap option. The keyboard gets tons of complaints and Vizio quality right now is a big unknown. They have a little ways to go with their drivers and such, apparently they are all EXE's you have to install and then they all show up in Add/Remove programs for each and every one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Barely meets the requirements but a few ounces, the Asus Zenbook Prime Touch UX31A-BHI5T. Starts at $1,200
    Right, so it's right in the territory of Apple computers that people say are way overpriced. That's my point is that when you get close to the same spec of hardware price is about the same. A 13" rMBP starts at $1300.


    That is a nice laptop.


    Yeah, in between 8 and 16 isn't something that most computers come with. Always wished Apple had more system configuration options. They are very much into 1 size should fit all. That has it's pros and cons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    At least the Surface Pros come with a pen. I joke, but it doesn't seem like it's that much of a big deal if they have yet to do much about it three gens later. If losing the pen was a mass problem, the Pro 2 would have fixed that.
    Yes, getting the pen in the box on the pro is nice. I'm always checking to be sure that I still have my pen with my Gen 1. I do use the pen a fair amount as the 1920x1080 screen can get downright small. Unfortunately, I don't write much with the pen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Honestly, I've never said apple makes crappy hardware or anything like that, they do make real solid hardware. That's been what makes the apple name is their hardware (with some exceptions here and there, like the iphone, horribly overbuilt). Their software is utter shite however. I wouldn't be against taking a mac and making it into a Windowtosh PC. I do hear however, the macs have the best touchpads that have some nice gesturing capabilities with mac os. But what do I care for them? All those fancy gestures the touchpad was designed for are as useful as a box of paper clips.
    I don't find OSX bad. I've been quite happy with it. I don't use a lot of the other Apple software. But things like iPhoto is a lot better than what Windows comes with my default. You cannot customize it much, but I'm fine with that. I just want to pick up the computer, use it and put it down. I work with computers all day at work, I'm getting further and further away from at home tinkering. Gesture support is great, I use a lot of them. The touchpad on my Mac is far better than any PC I've ever used. The thing I love more than anything, instant sleep and instant wake up. That's why I really like my Mac. I pull it out, hit 2 or 3 forums, and close the lid. It lasts for days. With that said, I'm not switching to Apple for everything. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. I'm happy with my purchase, but I'm not a diehard fan.
    The one Asus, the Zenbook Prime touch, it weighs a bit more but it has a 10 point capacitive touchscreen in that cost. Without it, it'd probably be more $900-$1,000. The question becomes do you want touch, or a quad HD display? apple seems like they finally realized they have a reputation for pricy hardware and have adjusted it them down because a few years ago, starting price for a mac was about $1,200 for base line specs. Doesn't help that now PC OEMs are making higher end hardware and driving prices up and not always delivering quality (TOSHIBA!!).

    That's interesting you've once gone from not liking Windows 8 for that fact it didn't allow much customization, as well as putting down the notion that touch gestures on a touchpad or mouse is completely redundant to use to being ok with very minute customizations and appreciating touch gestures..... All from one apple product.

    You should try out some Windows 8 PCs one of these days.
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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    If it works and is fit for purpose - what's wrong in using it -- same deal as I have with the Surface pro 3 -- expensive but suits me down to the ground.

    The cheapest options aren't always the best -- and even if buying more expensive kit isn't the best bang for buck --if it's for YOU so what if you can afford it and like the device --you aren't placing an order for 150,000 of these for a world wide large company.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Exactly well put. Not everyone wants or needs high end nor care for build quality. Some care if it works well, some care if it has different features. That's what makes the PC greater than the mac in my mind, there's something to meet the individual's personal computing needs, not what one manufacturer says they need.
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  5. #35


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The question becomes do you want touch, or a quad HD display?
    Personally, I don't care for touch at all. So, I would happily skip that. I skipped it on my Mac. The quad HD display probably wouldn't be greatly appealing either. I don't really care for the auto scaling built into 8, I prefer to run my monitor at it's standard resolution so something in the 1920x1080 realm would probably suit me better. I don't run the rMBP in Retina mode because it looks like 1280x800 (since it's just pixel doubled to 2560x1600). I run it at 1680x1050. It's a little less crisp and sharp, but so much more on the screen and I'll gladly take that trade-off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    That's interesting you've once gone from not liking Windows 8 for that fact it didn't allow much customization, as well as putting down the notion that touch gestures on a touchpad or mouse is completely redundant to use to being ok with very minute customizations and appreciating touch gestures..... All from one apple product.
    Not the whole story. I didn't like fact that you couldn't opt to have a classic style start if you wanted it. I didn't like that you couldn't set the background image of the start screen...some of these things that they have caved on and added support for in 8.1 and 8.1 update 1. I still don't use gestures hardly at all with Windows 8, but it's probably because I don't use the Start Screen, I don't use the Charms bar, etc. With the MacBook, I mostly use the 2 finger scroll in browser, the left and right side swipe to go forward and back in the browser and the pinch to zoom features and spin rotate features.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You should try out some Windows 8 PCs one of these days.
    My wife has a Windows 8 touchscreen laptop. My kids have a Windows 8 touchscreen laptop. I have a non-touchscreen Windows 8.1 Update 1 laptop at work. And I've purchased approx 20 new laptops for my office, all running some variant of Windows 8 that I've installed, and deployed to my coworkers. Not to mention, I have about 5 Acer All-in-One systems running 8.1 that we send out to tradeshows. I also have 2 Dell XPS18's running Windows 8.1 that also go to tradeshows. And then I have my Surface Pro Gen 1 running 8.1 at my desk at work.

    The above is actually the primary reason that I went with a Mac at home. I'm a bit tired and bored of Windows. Just wanted something different to play around with. The thought of buying another Windows 8 laptop for my own personal use was just....meh. The MacBook Pro has been a good learning experience. And it's the machine i now use 98% of the time at home. I rarely pull out my work Windows 8 laptop anymore.
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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The question becomes do you want touch, or a quad HD display?
    Personally, I don't care for touch at all. So, I would happily skip that. I skipped it on my Mac. The quad HD display probably wouldn't be greatly appealing either. I don't really care for the auto scaling built into 8, I prefer to run my monitor at it's standard resolution so something in the 1920x1080 realm would probably suit me better. I don't run the rMBP in Retina mode because it looks like 1280x800 (since it's just pixel doubled to 2560x1600). I run it at 1680x1050. It's a little less crisp and sharp, but so much more on the screen and I'll gladly take that trade-off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    That's interesting you've once gone from not liking Windows 8 for that fact it didn't allow much customization, as well as putting down the notion that touch gestures on a touchpad or mouse is completely redundant to use to being ok with very minute customizations and appreciating touch gestures..... All from one apple product.
    Not the whole story. I didn't like fact that you couldn't opt to have a classic style start if you wanted it. I didn't like that you couldn't set the background image of the start screen...some of these things that they have caved on and added support for in 8.1 and 8.1 update 1. I still don't use gestures hardly at all with Windows 8, but it's probably because I don't use the Start Screen, I don't use the Charms bar, etc. With the MacBook, I mostly use the 2 finger scroll in browser, the left and right side swipe to go forward and back in the browser and the pinch to zoom features and spin rotate features.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You should try out some Windows 8 PCs one of these days.
    My wife has a Windows 8 touchscreen laptop. My kids have a Windows 8 touchscreen laptop. I have a non-touchscreen Windows 8.1 Update 1 laptop at work. And I've purchased approx 20 new laptops for my office, all running some variant of Windows 8 that I've installed, and deployed to my coworkers. Not to mention, I have about 5 Acer All-in-One systems running 8.1 that we send out to tradeshows. I also have 2 Dell XPS18's running Windows 8.1 that also go to tradeshows. And then I have my Surface Pro Gen 1 running 8.1 at my desk at work.

    The above is actually the primary reason that I went with a Mac at home. I'm a bit tired and bored of Windows. Just wanted something different to play around with. The thought of buying another Windows 8 laptop for my own personal use was just....meh. The MacBook Pro has been a good learning experience. And it's the machine i now use 98% of the time at home. I rarely pull out my work Windows 8 laptop anymore.
    Hi there

    I used to think I didn't like touch - but the Surface Pro 3 has rather changed my opinion of Touch. When I'm using the SP3 connected to a large external Docking station - I love using the Pen on the SP3 when in PHOTOSHOP etc. Displaying the output on the LARGE screen while using the pen on the SP3 itself is brilliant.

    I find also using TOUCH on the SP3 screen for instance to switch LAYERS in Photoshop or even to switch worksheets in an EXCEL workbook or switch applications / pages in IE etc is extremely convenient - use the small screen for Touch while projecting the applications on to the BIG screen.

    Used IN CONJUNCTION with a mouse and keyboard makes touch a really powerful tool. I agree otherwise with pparks1 in that I wouldn't like to use Touch ALONE in if I only had a single screen a Mouse and keyboard is still my preferred option.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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