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Who like me HATES auto checkouts in Supermarkets

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
    It never occurred to me to do this when I use self-checkout. There is an attendant and I don't know how closely they pay attention to what you are doing.

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  2. #22


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    I am annoyed at the lengths these corporations are going to for greed. It's getting silly now. My local Tesco first installed some self service checkouts getting rid of cashiers. Then they added even more self service checkouts , and now they have introduced "scan as you shop" so you pick up a handheld scanner and you scan your items as you go around the store. I kid you not. Off course at the end you have to pay and then pack your items, but they had to remove even more cashiers to make room for all this.

    I have no problem with corporations making a profit, but here in the UK companies like Tesco pay their staff low wages and also use government schemes forcing unemployed people to stack shelves, without being paid a proper wage in order just the to get their unemployment benefit. If they refuse to do it they don't get their benefit (about £50 a week ). Tesco say that there is a possibility of these people getting a job at the end of it but it's a lie. Tesco are getting free labour, and not paying a penny towards it. And the people being forced to work, with no training have no workers rights or any other perks associated with having a job.
    Last edited by burtie; 18 Oct 2013 at 06:58.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
    The Safeway where I shop has self checkout. 2 "15 items or less" checkouts, and the "regular" checkouts. So you don't stand behind someone doing the shopping for a month if you have less then 15 items. A Guy
    That is, if they enforce the 15 item policy. I don't know how many times I've been in such a check out line and seen somebody with way more than the allowed amount of items.
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  4. #24


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    Hi there
    Easy rule with ANY QUEUE (or line)

    In stores - pick the one with the most MEN in it -- OK might be sexist but practical observation says Men tend to arrange their stuff for easy packing quickly, tend to want to pay with Cash and don't have queries or problems at checkouts and just want to exit the whole process as quickly as possible -- women tend to have their money / credit cards at the bottom of their bags and have to fumble around when they have to pay the bill - and sometimes want items to be removed so they don't exceed a certain amount.

    Same for information at Railway stations etc -- men know what train and when they want to get on it - women tend to make catching a train like a really complex operation and spend AGES at the counter even for simple transactions like buying a ticket.

    OK a bit sexist - but observation leads me to believe this works about 85% of the time.

    (I'm not trying to turn this into a sexist thread BTW).

    Actually the 15 item idea is stupid -- just allow Hand baskets only at those checkouts - and also have a CASH ONLY line too -- I can get almost as much into a handbasket as someone with a trolley -- and I can carry it too !!! I'm big and strong enough - and a tiny philippino guard takes one look at me with a nicely balanced basket that would fit into two large car boots !!!when I give him / her that "come to bed look" and just "moves on " !!!!. (I did study Architecture too as well as Engineering -- I can easily balance a supermarket basket !!).

    I don't think though that these automated checkouts will replace the humans though there's too many people who don't like them - and if you have cigarette / alcohols / "porno mags" policies / age controls then manual controls still need to be in place.

    @Burtie -- IMO it would make much more sense for the supermarkets to invest in technology for ROBOTS to re-stack shelves etc and keep the humans in the actual store interfacing with the customers.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by burtie View Post
    I am annoyed at the lengths these corporations are going to for greed. It's getting silly now. My local Tesco first installed some self service checkouts getting rid of cashiers. Then they added even more self service checkouts , and now they have introduced "scan as you shop" so you pick up a handheld scanner and you scan your items as you go around the store. I kid you not. Off course at the end you have to pay and then pack your items, but they had to remove even more cashiers to make room for all this. ...
    Is it necessarily about greed? Businesses exist to make money and things can be quite competitive. Labor is very expensive so perhaps by cutting back on the need for as many cashiers they can keep their costs down and, hopefully, charge us consumers less. Are you willing to pay more for your goods so that these places can hire more cashiers?

    I know that people need jobs but being able to do more with less personnel is what businesses need to do to remain competitive.

    How about when you shop at an on-line merchant? Brick & mortar stores also need to compete with on-line merchants who don't hire ANY cashiers. Do you boycott those merchants or call them greedy?
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    I don't want to comment on one company specifically. The general principle you mentioned is the cause of our current economic and social woes. Financial deregulation and the "flexible labour " economic policies espoused in the UK over the last 15 yrs or so are a disaster.

    That is not a political comment, it is about economics. Unless we change it drastically we are headed for big trouble. Hard to predict when it will go tits up, but it certainly will.

    I have no problem with corporations making a profit, but here in the UK companies like Tesco pay their staff low wages and also use government schemes forcing unemployed people to stack shelves, without being paid a proper wage in order just the to get their unemployment benefit. If they refuse to do it they don't get their benefit (about £50 a week ). Tesco say that there is a possibility of these people getting a job at the end of it but it's a lie. Tesco are getting free labour, and not paying a penny towards it. And the people being forced to work, with no training have no workers rights or any other perks associated with having a job.
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Easy rule with ANY QUEUE (or line)

    In stores - pick the one with the most MEN in it -- OK might be sexist but practical observation says Men tend to arrange their stuff for easy packing quickly, tend to want to pay with Cash and don't have queries or problems at checkouts and just want to exit the whole process as quickly as possible -- women tend to have their money / credit cards at the bottom of their bags and have to fumble around when they have to pay the bill - and sometimes want items to be removed so they don't exceed a certain amount.

    Same for information at Railway stations etc -- men know what train and when they want to get on it - women tend to make catching a train like a really complex operation and spend AGES at the counter even for simple transactions like buying a ticket.

    OK a bit sexist - but observation leads me to believe this works about 85% of the time.

    (I'm not trying to turn this into a sexist thread BTW).

    Actually the 15 item idea is stupid -- just allow Hand baskets only at those checkouts - and also have a CASH ONLY line too -- I can get almost as much into a handbasket as someone with a trolley -- and I can carry it too !!! I'm big and strong enough - and a tiny philippino guard takes one look at me with a nicely balanced basket that would fit into two large car boots !!!when I give him / her that "come to bed look" and just "moves on " !!!!. (I did study Architecture too as well as Engineering -- I can easily balance a supermarket basket !!).

    I don't think though that these automated checkouts will replace the humans though there's too many people who don't like them - and if you have cigarette / alcohols / "porno mags" policies / age controls then manual controls still need to be in place.

    @Burtie -- IMO it would make much more sense for the supermarkets to invest in technology for ROBOTS to re-stack shelves etc and keep the humans in the actual store interfacing with the customers.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Unfortunately in my case, it seems like no matter which checkout line I stand in, it is always the slowest. And if I switch to another, than the one I was standing in previously somehow becomes faster.
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  8. #28


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    Hi there
    not wishing to get into Politics -- highly against the rules and going OT - but since we are dealing with essentially part time workers in supermarkets- the UK has a really EVIL system of employment now called "ZERO HOUR CONTRACTS" - which means that technically you are not unemployed even if on a Monday the employer says there's no work for you this week or maybe only 3 hours etc so no "Dole money" - even at the UK's dreadful rate of around 60 EUR a week ("Job seekers allowance" I think they call it) so you can't even budget for minimum wages -- I don't think these sorts of EVIL practices are allowed in the USA -- might be wrong.

    We have problems too with supermarkets "minimising staff" but ZERO HOURS CONTRACTS - I'm not a socialist but if we started having those back home I'd be the first man out to "The Barricades" and I'm sure the whole country would follow.

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    There is a lot of that. The worker has to guarantee he will be available for x hours per week. The employer does not guarantee to give them any hours. The few hours they do get will be at minimal pay and breaks. The taxpayer has to subsidise the workers thru income support.

    Therefore the taxpayer is subsidising the employers wage bill. That is one reason for the massive increase in wealth being held by a small number of people.

    The principle is "externalising costs ". Another way to "externalise costs" is to dump industrial waste into rivers. That saves the company the cost of proper disposal and "externalises" the cleanup costs onto someone else. They aren't allowed to do that any more, but it illustrates the principle.
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by strollin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by burtie View Post
    I am annoyed at the lengths these corporations are going to for greed. It's getting silly now. My local Tesco first installed some self service checkouts getting rid of cashiers. Then they added even more self service checkouts , and now they have introduced "scan as you shop" so you pick up a handheld scanner and you scan your items as you go around the store. I kid you not. Off course at the end you have to pay and then pack your items, but they had to remove even more cashiers to make room for all this. ...
    Is it necessarily about greed? Businesses exist to make money and things can be quite competitive. Labor is very expensive so perhaps by cutting back on the need for as many cashiers they can keep their costs down and, hopefully, charge us consumers less. Are you willing to pay more for your goods so that these places can hire more cashiers?

    I know that people need jobs but being able to do more with less personnel is what businesses need to do to remain competitive.

    How about when you shop at an on-line merchant? Brick & mortar stores also need to compete with on-line merchants who don't hire ANY cashiers. Do you boycott those merchants or call them greedy?
    Hi there
    If only it were true.

    When was the last time you saw a full attended "Petrol" / Gas station. When self service first started you got a small discount per litre / gallon or whatever the current measurement system is where you are -- now no more - so shedding labour does NOT always mean cheaper prices for the consumer.

    @SIW2.
    We are good at though is in environmental protection -- any company dumping stuff into rivers etc would have their directors locked up (although there are far worse places to be than in an Icelandic Jail !!) and the company booted straight out of the country and where possible its assets seized.


    Cheers
    jimbo
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