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Another Rant - Sorry Windows 8 lovers - I need to vent.

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    Another Rant - Sorry Windows 8 lovers - I need to vent.


    I have been using Windows 8 since before Launch, roughly probably a year to the day. It is not a bad OS, but there are numerous things about that, to this day, still really tick me off. I will start by saying, that other vendors are no better. I had a iPhone forced on me by the company I work for... I really cannot stand all the lock down that comes with it, and the fact that I am forced to use Itunes to sync with it. It is far from a perfect world, and I don't expect perfection from the products that I use, just basic common sense.

    I upgraded to 8.1 a few weeks back, and so far, I think my experience is worse rather than better. I enjoy some of the improvements to the Start Screen. I like that apps don't automatically appear on there when you load them. I decided that I would actually try to take the time to manage my start screen this time around, and keep it kind of tidy. So I set about doing this. The ability to boot straight to desktop is no big deal to me, though I know itmeant the world to others, and for that reason, I am glad it is there. I definitely believe in more options, rather than less. People are different after all. One new annoyance that I have noticed, is that it seems like in order to switch back to a non-Microsoft account, there are now quite a few extra hoops you have to jump through. The option to switch to local, is no longer baked into the OS like it was before. In order to get there, I had to create a user account using the old school options in Manage, then drop my Microsoft account from my machine. Not a huge deal, but definitely annoying.

    Using a non-Microsoft account, means no email app, no People app, and no Calendar apps. It probably means more things than this for all I know. All of these Apps of course, should have worked fine for me with or without a Microsoft account and I really can think of no sane reason for them not to work, other than that this is yet another Microsoft tactic to bully users into switching over to doing things their way.. So, as it is, if you want to use them, you pretty much have to bite the bullet and switch yourself over to a Microsoft account, which I reluctantly did.

    I have an old hotmail account that I still get email at. I used it initially in 8 when I first started using Windows 8, and wanted to check out all the new features. I installed a bunch of new apps with it, etc. As soon as I switch to Microsoft account now, what happens.. All of those apps magically start loading on my machine. No pop up asking me if I want to do this. Also, my start screen starts to switch it's over-all icon layout, background etc, probably to match what I had 6 months ago, and the nice tidy start screen I had before goes straight out the window. The same thing becomes true on my downstairs computer. But, of course, this feature is not fully cooked yet or something, because they are formatted completely different on both computers, and for some reason if I make a change on one.. it fracks up the other and vice versa.

    Now I am just pissed. I reload windows. I try to go to browse my file system after reload, and even after a year of using Windows 8, I cannot seem to figure out how to get there.. I resign to right clicking on windows start button(woo hoo, actually glad it is back) and launching file explorer. I imagine how difficult it must be for the avg user to actually figure out how to browse there files right after loading windows.. I cannot see any clear way of getting there on my start screen after launch. Of course, I can start typing, but now it really makes sense, why I get so many calls from friends and relatives who are lost as can be when they first start using windows 8. I think to myself, "Who the hell is designing things over at Microsoft these days, and what I would not give to spend 10 minutes in huddle room with them?" Seriously, this is a huge fail. all around.

    This is just my experience.
    Last edited by musiclover7; 05 Aug 2013 at 22:18.

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    No sir, it's not just your experience, others, like myself, have been there as well - and thus formed an opinion similar to yourself - I have just resigned myself to the fact that "Who(ever) the hell is designing things over at Microsoft these days..." are consumed with touch-orientated design and the rest of the users' requirements are very much secondary...we are left to find ways around those changes to make things work...eg. the start menu should not necessarily have stayed as per the legacy one, but there could have been more development put into it to make a Win8 version that fitted more snugly into their "re-imagined" world..if they wanted to...c'est la vie, mon ami
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    USA, Idaho
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    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    This should be moved to either "Chillout Room," or "VIP Lounge." Thank you.

    Now to the rant.

    You are not the only one. For some reason some have problems while others don't. In my case (not an 8 lover just user, iMac is my first choice) there has been no real problems. The one thing to remember there is no OS that is perfect. I remember when the Mac world went from OS 9 to OS X; boy was that ever a mess. It took Apple a year to get it cleaned up, and it wasn't their first OS mess. Back in the day the jump from OS 6 to 7 was another oh we're sorry we didn't mean to screw up your old Mac Plus with this new OS may be you should have bought a newer Mac prior to upgrading the old OS.

    There is always a different way to go like Win 7, Linux, OS X (be careful there is no Start Button, or Start Menu in OS X, and they have Launchpad which is similar to the Win 8 Start Screen). Whatever way you go "Good Luck To You.". . .
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    This should be moved to either "Chillout Room," or "VIP Lounge." Thank you.
    Hi there
    on the whole I agree - but the OP does have some sort of point about the Microsoft account -- however he is WRONG in the fact that you HAVE to have a Microsoft account -- it's perfectly possible to set up w8.1 (and w8) without a Microsoft account.

    Browsing via file (or windows) explorer is just the same as Windows 7 so I don't get at what point is being made with that problem.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Posts : 446
    Win 8 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    on the whole I agree - but the OP does have some sort of point about the Microsoft account -- however he is WRONG in the fact that you HAVE to have a Microsoft account -- it's perfectly possible to set up w8.1 (and w8) without a Microsoft account.

    Browsing via file (or windows) explorer is just the same as Windows 7 so I don't get at what point is being made with that problem.
    No he isn't, the OP is right. He didn't say you have to have a Microsoft account. He said you need a Microsoft account to use the mail, people and calendar apps because they won't work with a local account. And I agree with his sentiments. Microsoft's only saving grace is that Windows Live Mail is still available to download for those who only want to use a local account.

    As for the file system, I'm not sure exactly where the OP's problem lies. The only thing I can think of is that maybe the 'Computer' icon isn't set on the desktop by default? I can't remember if it's there as standard, or whether there's just the recycle bin instead?
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    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    You were forced to use an iPhone? Where can I get a job application?

    Don't like the way it's locked down, Jailbreak it.
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  7. #7


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    This should be moved to either "Chillout Room," or "VIP Lounge." Thank you.
    Hi there
    on the whole I agree - but the OP does have some sort of point about the Microsoft account -- however he is WRONG in the fact that you HAVE to have a Microsoft account -- it's perfectly possible to set up w8.1 (and w8) without a Microsoft account.

    Browsing via file (or windows) explorer is just the same as Windows 7 so I don't get at what point is being made with that problem.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Maybe I missed it, but having now installed 8.1 3 times, I have yet to see where it gives one the option of using a non microsoft account. IT is not there. I googled just a little bit, only to find somewhere that if you answer no to a question like 3-4 times, it will eventually give you the option. Good Gravy! I don't know how in the heck I missed that. I musta been snoozin. I am also perfectly right about the fact that without a Microsoft account, many of the core apps cannot be used. Perfectly right in fact.
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    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    You were forced to use an iPhone? Where can I get a job application?

    Don't like the way it's locked down, Jailbreak it.
    I did jailbreak it. You are still stuck with itunes. I hate itunes.
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    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by ARC1020 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    on the whole I agree - but the OP does have some sort of point about the Microsoft account -- however he is WRONG in the fact that you HAVE to have a Microsoft account -- it's perfectly possible to set up w8.1 (and w8) without a Microsoft account.

    Browsing via file (or windows) explorer is just the same as Windows 7 so I don't get at what point is being made with that problem.
    No he isn't, the OP is right. He didn't say you have to have a Microsoft account. He said you need a Microsoft account to use the mail, people and calendar apps because they won't work with a local account. And I agree with his sentiments. Microsoft's only saving grace is that Windows Live Mail is still available to download for those who only want to use a local account.

    As for the file system, I'm not sure exactly where the OP's problem lies. The only thing I can think of is that maybe the 'Computer' icon isn't set on the desktop by default? I can't remember if it's there as standard, or whether there's just the recycle bin instead?
    My computer is not there by default, and neither is there any way to get there with any sort of ease by default on the start menu. They actually changed it to This PC in 8.1 It takes a little finesse, and by finesse, I mean some right clicking in order to get it onto your desktop... Believe it or not, there are swarms of users out there who have been using a mouse for years, and have yet to press the right mouse button on purpose. I was able to get to my files, but my comment was about the avg user. The avg user is bound to have trubs, which is why I get so many calls from friends and family. I also cannot stand the fact that in 8.1 my kvm does not work like it used to. Soft of like the icing on the crap sandwich..
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    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    This should be moved to either "Chillout Room," or "VIP Lounge." Thank you.
    Hi there
    on the whole I agree - but the OP does have some sort of point about the Microsoft account -- however he is WRONG in the fact that you HAVE to have a Microsoft account -- it's perfectly possible to set up w8.1 (and w8) without a Microsoft account.

    Browsing via file (or windows) explorer is just the same as Windows 7 so I don't get at what point is being made with that problem.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Maybe I missed it, but having now installed 8.1 3 times, I have yet to see where it gives one the option of using a non microsoft account. IT is not there. I googled just a little bit, only to find somewhere that if you answer no to a question like 3-4 times, it will eventually give you the option. Good Gravy! I don't know how in the heck I missed that. I musta been snoozin. I am also perfectly right about the fact that without a Microsoft account, many of the core apps cannot be used. Perfectly right in fact.
    After installation, where you would put in an ms account email, just leave it blank and press continue. An option will be given to create a local account.
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