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Quick rant about "hidden menus"

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    Quick rant about "hidden menus"


    One of the things that is SO complained in Windows 8 is, "I don't see the Settings Charm all the time! I can't remember what app I have open because the app switch bar is hidden! Everything is hidden, why did they hide everything?!"

    False.

    I'll put some context here, I literally just this week found out in Windows 7 that you can change grouping view options in File Explorer. In Windows 8, this is so damn easy with the Ribbon because all you do is hit the View tab, and change grouping options to whatever. I think 8 has more options in that respect, but not the point. To do this in Windows 7, you have to RIGHT CLICK in empty space, to view a HIDDEN CONTEXT MENU, that you would have no bloody idea that it is there, no hint or indication or knowledge of, or even the realization such a thing exists.

    So how is this different from something you don't need to see all the time, such as the Settings Charm (are you REALLY changing app settings all the time) versus a Desktop context menu that you ONLY need for file/view context once every few times?

    THERE ISN'T.

    The argument of "hidden" things in Windows 8 being detrimental is null and void.

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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    And the fact that things are supposedly 'hidden' has never been used by me as an argument against Win 8.

    In fact, one of the things I like most about 8 and always have, is one of the hardest to find, it would seem.

    That being the menu at the bottom-left that you get by right-clicking. The lack of this in Win 7 frustrates the
    living bejaysus out of me!

    Yes, there are things I dislike about W8, as you are well aware.

    But this 'hidden, unfindable' business isn't, and hasn't been, one of them.

    Wenda.


    EDIT: And anyway, most of the so-called 'hidden' stuff in Win 8 actually isn't. It's just not in the same places
    it was in XP, Vista, 7. Moved doesn't necessarily mean hidden. And as you point out, 8 isn't unique in having
    features that can be hard to find.

    A good example is the way the original 2001 build of XP Home (pre-SP1) didn't 'have' a Backup facility. Well, it
    did, actually, but there was no way an average home user would ever have found it. It did not install by default
    so one needed to go trawling through the files on the CD and install it manually from there.
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  3. #3


    Spain
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    Windows 8 Professional x64


    Totally agree with you. The reason why it was done though was to declutter the UI of tablets and touchscreen devices, which is something that I think W8 does seamlessly.
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    This has been an argument in several threads. Just ask some IT people here why they won't ever deploy Windows 8, "hidden UI elements that shouldn't be hidden."
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    Spain
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    Windows 8 Professional x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    This has been an argument in several threads. Just ask some IT people here why they won't ever deploy Windows 8, "hidden UI elements that shouldn't be hidden."
    I honestly don't think that that's a reason not to deploy an OS as an IT department. For example, where I help out, we've decided to delay mass deployment of Windows 8 because it still lacks certain group policies that we need (its a school). However, the hidden or not issue is just a matter of training your users, once they know their way around the OS its a breeze, we've got kindergarteners and people from all ages using Windows 8 on certain PCs and they're loving it so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    This has been an argument in several threads. Just ask some IT people here why they won't ever deploy Windows 8, "hidden UI elements that shouldn't be hidden."
    I honestly don't think that that's a reason not to deploy an OS as an IT department. For example, where I help out, we've decided to delay mass deployment of Windows 8 because it still lacks certain group policies that we need (its a school). However, the hidden or not issue is just a matter of training your users, once they know their way around the OS its a breeze, we've got kindergarteners and people from all ages using Windows 8 on certain PCs and they're loving it so far.
    Just go to the News subforum....
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    I agree with all three of you. Great insight, especially this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian View Post
    Totally agree with you. The reason why it was done though was to declutter the UI of tablets and touchscreen devices, which is something that I think W8 does seamlessly.
    Except we'll most likely get this kind of comment: "That's well and fine for a tablets and touchscreen devices, but it doesn't belong on a desktop PC". BS if it doesn't. All four hot corners including the right-click advanced context menu in the lower left corner works just fine with a mouse. The new Modern UI features are actually easier to use, especially the Charms Bar. I don't have to dive into a Start Menu to look for something that I need at hand.

    e.g. This is the "Settings" selection within the Charms Bar of the desktop.

    Attachment 22620

    How many of these look familiar? Where did we have to look for these before?


    Don't forget this beauty of which one can easily get anywhere in 8 including the desktop with a simple right click:

    Attachment 22621
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    Spain
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    Windows 8 Professional x64


    Which is why it's definitely worth the time and effort to train your users on how to use the new UI

    Great point with the settings bar, I've spent WAY too much time doing Start>Control Panel>X>Y
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian View Post
    we've got kindergarteners and people from all ages using Windows 8 on certain PCs and they're loving it so far.
    It's comforting to know that the kindergarteners love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jf1450 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Julian View Post
    we've got kindergarteners and people from all ages using Windows 8 on certain PCs and they're loving it so far.
    It's comforting to know that the kindergarteners love it.
    We are too. If they're loving it, that means they've learned in order to use it, therefore the learning curve can't be as steep as some claim.
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