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The great Windows 8 debate

  1. #21


    Quote Originally Posted by fragment137
    People Do NOT like change.
    So why forcing change on poeple? Isn't the goal of a public company to satisfy their clients? If the same is what they want, so give them.
    Quote Originally Posted by fragment137
    Even though everyone knows it's inevitable
    Why inevitable? Everybody is happy with W7 or similar. So why sudenly it must be inevitable that everything we are accustomed to for years must change?
    Quote Originally Posted by bluice32
    Here's a revelation. If Microsoft users don't like change (for the sake of change) then maybe Microsoft shouldn't change. Are we going to add sparkles and sound effects to a hammer because it's not cool enough? An operating system is a tool, not a toy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink
    Windows 8 is like anything else that is radically different from the previous.
    It's not even radicaly different. Exit Metro and you are in 7.2.
    Metro is radicaly different. But it's a failure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot
    Or some have figured out how to make the Start Screen more effective and useful...
    Starting Windows directly on the desktop would be a good start. Who needs to start on the Start Screen? If you need quick access to your favorite tiles, then go to the Start Screen and then it might be useful, cool, fun, positive experience. But starting everytime on the Start Screen while you don't need it is an irritating loss of time.
    Other than this I don't see how you could beat the classic Windows UI in usability and efficiency. Microsoft is joustling against windmills here.

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  2. #22


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    "But starting everytime on the Start Screen while you don't need it is an irritating loss of time"

    What on earth are you talking about, you're worried about a few split seconds in your life, boy that shutdown button must be really killing you.
    What about the boot up time in Windows 8 and the extra speed and file transfer speed, quicker to get to device manager and control panel, doesn't that make up for that split second in time.
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  3. #23


    East Jutland
    Posts : 5
    Mac OS X ML, Windows 8,7 and Uunbtu


    By during transfering data and programming I rahter prefer Mac Ml or Ubuntu, The only reason I'm having Windows at all is gaming. But as matter of fact I won't start a war here, since we're currently speaking about Windows 8 and nothing else? I can agree by using windows 8 on a tablet computer. I think windows 8 is too designed for touch screen and not worth using on a desktop or laptop.
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  4. #24


    Posts : 59
    MS Windows 8 Pro 64-bit


    Lets take "SIW2" view on this a step further, yes there is numerous 3rd party "start" buttons available and most are "paid"
    start buttons. Now, how long do you think it's gonna take the "Bean counters" at microsoft to put a "paid MICROSOFT start"
    button in the "Microsoft Store"..... I, myself, am using a "paid" STAR8 button, and I will probably pay for a Microsoft start
    button......

    just a thought,

    walex


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  5. #25


    Georgia
    Posts : 110
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64 / Windows 8.1 Pro x64 Dual Boot


    I have installed Windows 8 and have mixed emotions about it.
    First, the loss of the start menu once you get used to it is really no big deal, I don't like that MS removed it but after getting used to navigating around 8 it really is not a big deal, I just pinned my start menu folder to my start page to compensate for the loss.

    Second, and I guess this will get better in time, the lack of good programs available for 8, there is not much, although most of the programs I used on 7 I am finding even though not advertised work on 8.
    I like the live tile feature on the start page but do not like the fact that with a lot of the apps you have to have a Microsoft live account to access them.
    I can live without the gaudy clock that appears on the lock page, especially since I do not or have not found a way to customise it.

    Third, boot time. I can remember watching clips on "how much faster Windows 8 boots", let me say this, any OS straight out of the box with a fresh install is going to boot fast, start installing programs and that boot time will get progressively longer. When I first installed 8, to be honest the boot time was slightly faster than 7 but the boot time between the two was barely negligible. NOW after installing programs my boot time with 8 is pretty much the same as it was with all my programs installed with 7. So in my mind, Microsoft's claim of a faster boot time is false and they just used it as a marketing tactic.

    Last, the lack of customization, again I am sure this will come with time as the true geeks start to get things figured out but I am a BIG Windows customization fanatic and the lack of custom themes and such for the boring look of Windows 8 is too much for me to take. Although it may take a little longer than 7 for the geeks to get worked out because it looks to me that not too many are off to the races to do too much with 8 right at the moment. I'm not talking about themepacks, anyone can throw some wallpaper together and recolor a taskbar and call it a theme, I am talking about true custom themes such as the infamous Mr. Grim did for Windows 7.

    In closing, as I have said before and I knew this going in but Windows 8 kind of feels like a step down from 7 to me, without the aero effect when I am in Windows Explorer I feel as though I am using Windows 98, but hey, how much can one REALLY expect for forty bucks? I feel sorry though for those that buy into 8 after the forty dollar deal expires and goes to it's normal price, if it were me I would personally feel like I got raped.

    If the start menu is gone for good then that is fine with me, but if I were Microsoft, I'd fire the one that redesigned the UI, they really did a sh!tty job of it.
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  6. #26


    Posts : 419
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by edee View Post
    Third, boot time. I can remember watching clips on "how much faster Windows 8 boots", let me say this, any OS straight out of the box with a fresh install is going to boot fast, start installing programs and that boot time will get progressively longer. When I first installed 8, to be honest the boot time was slightly faster than 7 but the boot time between the two was barely negligible. NOW after installing programs my boot time with 8 is pretty much the same as it was with all my programs installed with 7. So in my mind, Microsoft's claim of a faster boot time is false and they just used it as a marketing tactic.
    No they didn't. On Windows 7 a fresh install would boot to active desktop in ~20 seconds. 3 years later I still had my Windows 7 booting under 20 seconds to active desktop. Windows 8 came along and my boot time (from logo to active) was 2.1 seconds. It's been a few months since retail release and I've beaten the living daylights out of my system on a daily basis and my boot time is still ~2 seconds.
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  7. #27


    Georgia
    Posts : 110
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64 / Windows 8.1 Pro x64 Dual Boot


    Quote Originally Posted by LovingWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by edee View Post
    Third, boot time. I can remember watching clips on "how much faster Windows 8 boots", let me say this, any OS straight out of the box with a fresh install is going to boot fast, start installing programs and that boot time will get progressively longer. When I first installed 8, to be honest the boot time was slightly faster than 7 but the boot time between the two was barely negligible. NOW after installing programs my boot time with 8 is pretty much the same as it was with all my programs installed with 7. So in my mind, Microsoft's claim of a faster boot time is false and they just used it as a marketing tactic.
    No they didn't. On Windows 7 a fresh install would boot to active desktop in ~20 seconds. 3 years later I still had my Windows 7 booting under 20 seconds to active desktop. Windows 8 came along and my boot time (from logo to active) was 2.1 seconds. It's been a few months since retail release and I've beaten the living daylights out of my system on a daily basis and my boot time is still ~2 seconds.
    I don't know what type of machine you are using but I had my windows 7 system booting in less than 8 seconds, now unless you are installing your programs in the virtual folder in Windows 8 I cannot believe that a fully loaded windows 8 OS is still booting in 2 seconds. Mine did too with a fresh install, since adding programs my boot time is up to around 7 seconds now. I also do not use Defender and have opted to use a REAL antivirus program, this could also lead to an increase in the boot time.
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  8. #28


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Yeah there's no way Windows 7 is anywhere near the boot time of Windows 8. I've got one HDD dual booting 7 and 8 with identical programmes, 7 takes about 40 seconds, 8 is almost instant.
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  9. #29


    Posts : 59
    MS Windows 8 Pro 64-bit


    Yes win 8, overall, is an improvement over win7 and I will continue using it. But I still feel, and again "feel" that there is
    something missing. I don't know how to explain it, but, I felt more in control of my operating system with win 7.
    Does anyone have the same experience?????

    walex
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  10. #30


    Posts : 738
    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by LovingWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    win 8 would be doing even worse without them.
    Blah blah blah, all I see is FUD here. I'd like to see some sources of proof for your claims.
    For one most people who run desktops on a regular basis are not looking for a mobile gui to start with! The 3rd party options are part of what has made 8 bearable for a good number of Win 8 users. Without those options a majority of them would simply say: "Sorry MS! Maybe the next time!" while others who replaced 7 with 8 are looking to get 7 back on again abandoning 8 entirely!

    With each new version there are always those that will frown. People who tried 7 went back to Vista or XP when not finding 7 to their liking. With 8 however MS went out on a limb slapping the RT gui "Designed for Tablet" onto what they call a new desktop version? Simply listen to the reactions of many who say: "I don't want any mobile OS! No thanks! I'll keep 7 on!"

    Now go from the not so novice rejection to the general market place when that old time XP user has to buy a new machine for replacing that worn out old museum piece and finds RT on the new Win 8 machines being sold and has never used any tablet or smart phone. "Hey sales clerk how do you run this thing?!"

    Next you look at the XP fan who always cranks things up for an old gaming machine and then finds half of those games won't even run on 8. No DX 9 elements can be used on 8 while you could still add DX 9c to the 64bit 7 which comes with DX 11. The lack of 9 elements means many old titles run into OpenGL and other ooos simply because 8 is newer and no longer compatible with a good number of things. Likewise things that wouldn't run on the 32bit Vista but would on the 32bit 7 written for XP are out on 8 most likely to add to the flavor.

    Progress? Just because hand helds are jumping off retail shelves doesn't necessary mean the productive desktop worker still doesn't need a suitable "desktop" gui to work with and why the "not ready to run out of the box" problem is an immediate concern with 8. Businesses as well as those who work at home are more or less shying away from 8.

    Now making pcs that see full functionality over large steel cases has board manufacturers working on micro atx boards with more options to almost be a full atx model in what some of these newer small boards offer. They still need a desktop OS however despite the shrinking down of the physical size of running a micro minitower to do the same work.

    The reality check for MS in learning things the hard way is that most still want to see a desktop OS not simply someone tossing a "Metro-mare" on something called a desktop version. The first thing most want to see right away is a "Metro Killer"! What does say about 8 being "progressive"? In the wrong direction is more like it!

    MS got lazy with 8 and was too focused on Google's Android and IPxx items by the fruit company and got severely sidetracked when it came time to see a new desktop version come out. Again the "lazy fast solution" was what? "Oh fortunately we still have the RT gui we can borrow for 8!"
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