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BSOD waking from sleep & startup hanging

  1. #21

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    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    Go to the Seagate website and download the SeaTools for Windows test.
    Install it and run the Long/Extended test and see what it says.

    Link for the Windows version of Seatools is here: SeaTools for Windows | Seagate
    You can continue to use the system while the test is running.

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  2. #22

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    Windows 8.1

    Thanks Usasma! It passed..
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  3. #23

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    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    Note the SW Update thing in the upper right of your screenshot.
    That's usually a sign that Samsung wants you to install some updates.
    Please do so (and let us know what the updates are)
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  4. #24

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    Windows 8.1

    Yupyup I've been very vigilant with that Usasma, currently it's only asking me to update 'online chat consultation settings' and I really don't think that's important?

    That Seagate test I just did.. what were you looking to see?

    Re: that NTFS error, I found more pages (not many compared to other problems mind you but still)

    'There's a VMware (i know you didn't mention vmware, don't worry this is going somewhere...) kb article that mentions these errors - according to them, the translation of the error is:Event ID: 137 NTFS Error The NTFS filesystem sees the volume as read-write. The volume is actually read-only so these operations fail and no modifications are made to the volume.
    In the VMware case they say this occurs:
    When a quiesced snapshot is created on a Windows 2008 R2 virtual machine, duplicate disks are created within the virtual machine.
    That note about quiesced snapshots is the key here - quiesced snapshots call on Microsoft's VSS routines, your backups will almost certainly also do the same to produce a temporary read only copy of the disk which your backup software can read from so as to get an application consistent backup.
    This would explain the consistent timing (I assume your backups are scheduled for this time) and the nature of the event ID (read/write vs read only on a volume), it would also explain the vanishing drive letter - when you go to check of course you don't have a z drive - that volume only exists briefly as part of the VSS procedure.
    VMware says "This is a known issue. The events are harmless and can be safely ignored." You could try manually triggering the VSS process repeatedly on your server to see if you can force this event to occur, even if you can get it to happen once you may have some comfort that you have some idea why this is happening.'

    Microsoft have something to say too?

    There is also this thread NTFS Errors show in Windows log during backup | Acronis Community

    Thanks Usasma!
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  5. #25

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    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    I expected the Seagate test to fail. That it passed is a bit confusing.
    Looking back at the logfiles, the only thing that stands out is the music programs.
    In the past (over a year ago) I saw problems with several of the music programs that you use - but haven't seen them since.
    The programs were:
    - Native Instruments
    - LinPlug Instruments
    - MPK mini editor
    Can you uninstall these to test?

    I didn't see any VMware/Acronis/or RAID on your system - so those NTFS errors may not be related to yours.
    Continue to try chkdsk /f /r after you see an error - we'll be concerned with seeing if it fixes anything.
    That will give us a clue as to what's going on - then we can scan the reports for further events that might not be listed as errors - but may be impacting the system anyway.

    But, let's not get too wrapped up in the errors - or main purpose is to fix the problems that you were having with the system.
    Please run another set of reports - my intent here is to compare the list of drivers with those that were present in the original post - and hopefully find something that needs updating that we hadn't noticed before.

    Finally, I'm running out of ideas here. If the problems continue you'll have to make some choices on how to proceeed. Should you?...
    - leave it alone
    - start another topic in the General forums and see if another helper can offer different insights
    - perform a system Refresh
    - backup your stuff and perform a system RESET

    FWIW - I have a Samsung NP780 laptop and they seem to have complexities that aren't fully understood. It took me months to update mine to Win8.1 - even though I followed all of their instructions.

    Good luck!
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  6. #26

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    Windows 8.1

    Thanks Usasma,

    the chkdsk /f /r i did the other day did seem to make a difference (albeit not on the ntps error). How can I access the report to show to you?

    To be fair, Ive only just felt okay enough with system stability to continue music and uninstalling Native Instruments would disrupt workflow as much as it would be doing a system restore! I think i'd be better off just writing off this laptop, using it as a casual surfing machine and getting a Lenovo for future music work (Still not convinced on the macbook pro premium...)

    I always assumed my system was RAID because of the chipset drivers? (i have no idea what this means but id come across the phrases being linked in earlier diagnostics)

    To be honest, the extra 30 - 60 seconds on some boots where there is no HDD light for that length of time does concern me a little. And so does the fact that I cant use hibernate mode (but im aware thats a massive Windows 8 issue anyway)

    But having said that, if I am convinced that there is no HDD issue (and I know motherboard issues cant really be tested right?) I am happy to leave it (touchwood, there have been no crashes since last Friday, no boot loops, shutting down and booting has been relatively consistent.). Im nervous until the next windows updates but hey c'est la vie.

    Also besides getting that chk dsk report, are there regular things I should do (regular scannows for rxample?) to maintain system integrity? (besides updating when im told to update)
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  7. #27

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    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    Chkdsk /f /r leaves a report in Event Viewer
    CHKDSK LogFile:
    Go to Start and type in "eventvwr.msc" (without the quotes) and press Enter
    Expand the Windows logs heading, then select the Application log file entry.
    Double click on the Source column header.
    Scroll down the list until you find the Chkdsk entry (wininit for Win7/8/8.1) (winlogon for XP).
    Copy/paste the results into your next post.
    My theory behind repeated CHKDSK's is this:
    - a single error that's corrected by CHKDSK is just one of those things (don't worry about it).
    - repeated CHKDSK errors are a cause for concern - as something is causing the file system to have errors repeatedly.
    What is that thing? That's the problem - there's a lot of things that can cause it.

    The article about RAID involved repeatedly mounting/unmounting a pair of RAID volumes - not just having it on your system.
    Most systems will include RAID drivers but don't use them.

    I understand that workflow is important - so if we can't fix this this way I won't be upset if you choose to live with it.
    But, if you're going to write it off, I'd make a few suggestions:
    1) Make an image of this system as it sits today. That way you can always revert to the way it was today. I use Acronis TrueImage and an external USB hard drive.
    2) Attempt the Refresh and see if it works. If it removes too much of your stuff - just revert to the image that you made.
    3) Regardless of what you do - backup your data. Messing around with things like this will occasionally cause problems - and you don't want to lose your data just because you were experimenting.

    The only mobo "test" is replacing the mobo with another one. Any "tests" that you see will generally only test a small part of the mobo - and these tests are full of false positives and false negatives.

    The most important thing to do is to keep up with Windows Updates.
    Beyond that, just take care of the system and don't do unwise things with it - like visiting questionable websites, or leaving out in the car on a cold night.

    Good luck!
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  8. #28

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    Windows 8.1

    Cheers Usasma,

    I have pasted the results of the scan from yesterday at the bottom of this reply.

    I think I will live with it for now! Hopefully next few updates are okay, and I don't get any deterioration in performance. This is the longest it has been this stable, ready to get into heavy duty work now!

    I was using Windows Image but that has become useless since Windows 8.1 so now I use Macrium Reflect - i have two external drives, one with an image, and one with a clone just in case. Haven't ever had to restore from image/clone though so hopefully, fingers crossed i won't have to.. and can organically migrate in a year or two when I'm ready

    There doesn't appear to be any issue in the scan, which is weird. (Unless my layman eyes are missing something)

    Hopefully, if there's nothing else, Thank you so much for your various methods/approaches to helping. I've appreciated your patience and helpfulness!
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  9. #29

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    Windows 8.1

    Checking file system on C:
    The type of the file system is NTFS.

    A disk check has been scheduled.
    Windows will now check the disk.

    Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ...
    371712 file records processed. File verification completed.
    2541 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed.
    Stage 2: Examining file name linkage ...
    437130 index entries processed. Index verification completed.
    0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered.
    Stage 3: Examining security descriptors ...
    Cleaning up 1444 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9.
    Cleaning up 1444 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9.
    Cleaning up 1444 unused security descriptors.
    Security descriptor verification completed.
    32710 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
    38192104 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed.

    Stage 4: Looking for bad clusters in user file data ...
    371696 files processed. File data verification completed.

    Stage 5: Looking for bad, free clusters ...
    181063218 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete.

    Windows has scanned the file system and found no problems.
    No further action is required.

    950796287 KB total disk space.
    225930672 KB in 203571 files.
    104036 KB in 32711 indexes.
    0 KB in bad sectors.
    508707 KB in use by the system.
    65536 KB occupied by the log file.
    724252872 KB available on disk.

    4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
    237699071 total allocation units on disk.
    181063218 allocation units available on disk.

    Internal Info:
    00 ac 05 00 06 9b 03 00 c0 72 05 00 00 00 00 00 .........r......
    78 2e 00 00 23 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 x...#...........

    Windows has finished checking your disk.
    Please wait while your computer restarts.
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  10. #30

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    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    Looks OK to me.
    Let's see what happens.
    Good luck!
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