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How to use Winmail on Windows 8.

  1. #251


    Posts : 6
    Win10Prox64, Win8Prox86, Win7Prox64, VistaHomex86


    Now installed Windows Mail on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
    and emptying the Deleted Items folder upon exit
    works with no problems.

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  2. #252


    Posts : 1
    windows 10

    Winmail Slow after 1607 update


    After installing the anniversary update and copying over the Winmail folder, winmail fired right up, but seems to be slow in creating, replying or forwarding messages. I have tried to open up Calendar as I remember that working before but it has been little or no help. Any thoughts on what might be causing problems creating messages?
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  3. #253


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Quote Originally Posted by BridgeHead View Post
    After installing the anniversary update and copying over the Winmail folder, winmail fired right up, but seems to be slow in creating, replying or forwarding messages. I have tried to open up Calendar as I remember that working before but it has been little or no help. Any thoughts on what might be causing problems creating messages?
    Hello BridgeHead,

    Did you fresh install or update? ...not that it matters though, but if you did Everything Correctly, since I or no one else has any problems with it, then it has to be something else going on within your own installation that is affecting it.
    It's nearly impossible for us to know what you may have done inadvertently to affect it, and so there's no sense of me making a lot of guesses with what little information you have provided.
    I know one thing for sure though, if starting from a fresh install, meaning, where you have nothing else accidentally done interfering, it will work!

    Let us know what it was when you find the culprit.

    Have a good day.
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  4. #254


    Posts : 1
    Windows 10 Pro


    It does not work on Creators update, v.1703, build 15063.
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  5. #255


    Isn't this for Windows 10? They have a full forum for that.
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  6. #256


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    @ Jody, it's fine. From the Ten Forums I always encourage and ask them to post in this thread to keep it all in one place, as I don't really have time to monitor two threads about the same thing. I hope that's okay and thank you for your understanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikjoh View Post
    It does not work on Creators update, v.1703, build 15063.
    mikjoh, Yes WinMail does work in the new Windows 10 build 15063 version - actually it has always worked in every new version released of Windows 10 so far.
    I just installed it and here's my Screenshot for proof.
    mikjoh be sure to read thoroughly and follow all the information in the post #10 exactly ... Especially the Disclaimer!

    The only thing different I noticed with this new Win10 build 15063 "when upgrading previous Win10 builds" is afterwards besides replacing the Windows Mail programs folder again, you Also have to copy the msidcrl30.dll to the System32 folder again because the upgrade removed it, I even re-merged the WinMailEdit.reg for good measure.
    I've updated the tutorial in Post #1 to note that.

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  7. #257


    Posts : 4
    Windows 7


    Good day to all and greetings from Lima Peru !

    First of all, my thanks to Endeavor for his magnificent help in making WindowsMail available to all of us that considered this client to be the best replacement to Outlook Express and has helped many many people to carry over their email through Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and 10.

    I am one of these people and have been able to make WindowsMail work all the way up to the build 16193.1001 of 32 bit Windows 10 Insider Preview without any issues (apart from the known bugs). But when I updated to the latest build - 16199.100 - it stopped working. It just would not open and there was no error message either. I then rolled back to version 16193.1001 and everything worked fine again, including the Vista version of Windows Calendar.

    The one thing I noticed though was that through all the different moves from Vista to 10 build 16193.1001 the contents of the Windows Mail folder was the same in the number and names of files (8 files in the main program folder and 2 files in the language sub folder) but the Windows Mail folder in build 16199,1000 only had 5 files in the main folder and 2 in the language sub folder. If I recall correctly one of the missing files (sorry I didn't wrote down the name of the missing files) was winmail.exe and the other two missing files could have been the other 2 exe files (wabmig.exe and wab.exe).
    I tried setting WindowsMail as default program for email applications and also uninstalled the Windows 10 Mail & Calendar app but no luck. One thing I did notice though was that the Windows Calendar (Vista Version) was working with no problems.

    I hope this information will be be of use to Endeavor and the other forum members helping other users of this excellent program to solve these new hurdle !!!

    Many thanks for your help and patience!

    JCC2
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  8. #258


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Quote Originally Posted by jcc2 View Post
    Good day to all and greetings from Lima Peru !
    Hello and greetings to you jcc2 as well !
    ___________

    I normally don't spend the time testing every Insider Preview, but I was curious this time..
    My main tower I'm still on 14393 1607, where I usually only install major releases.

    I took the time to install this 16199 version on the test bench tower.
    Yes I noticed that very interestingly the default WM programs folder only had 3 files, where normally there are 8 plus the 2 in the subfolder.
    That did not bother me so much at first, since we just delete and replace all of that anyway with the working ones, including adding msidcrl30.dll in the system32 folder, etc, and that gets her going.
    ..which of course I did all that, etc...

    ...however, this time, I can not get WinMail to start either.

    I tried various ways to register the files removed, but it's probably not that simple..
    I figured that some day WinMail on Windows 10 or so, would come to an end, but I just wasn't expecting it yet.
    Maybe it's just this build, but I kind-of doubt it.

    Let me think on and sleep on it for some days..
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  9. #259


    Posts : 4
    Windows 7


    Good day Endeavor and many thanks for your reply......

    I tried several options same as you did but no luck.

    As mentioned in my first post, I even uninstalled Windows 10 native Mail and Calendar app and set WindowsMail as the default program for email but nothing worked.

    I realize Insider preview is a Beta - Test software and might change even more and eventually it might work again, but knowing that MS is not really keen on keeping another email program competing with Outlook or it's native mail app I imagine this will not be the case.

    Maybe comparing the corresponding Register settings between build 16193 and 16199 might provide an idea of what has been modified and what it would take to make it work? Food for thought.

    Once again, many thanks for your efforts Endeavor and let's hope we will see WindowsMail once again working in Windows 10.

    Best regards,

    JCC2
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  10. #260


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Yes compared to a fresh iso install as I first did for you to check 16199, instead, if doing an upgrade from 93 to 99 provides a better opportunity to completely software track all the file/registry changes that were made between them; however as you can imagine with a version upgrade the changes were enormous overall.
    In the past especially on Win7 or Win8 when a new single KB was installed and broke WM, it yielded a manageable amount of changes to be able to see its context and reverse what was needed to get WM back working again; however, with this whole version upgrade from 93 to 99, the amount of changes are considerable and therefore makes it much more difficult.

    I've now done an iso fresh install of 16193 and got the OS all setup, etc, and then reinstated WinMail which works fine. I then upgraded it to 16199 and tracked the process, and now can see everything done in the upgrade between the two versions. I see what they did for WinMail, which actually removed nearly every single registry entry this time, even the thousand created by WinMail's first open process itself (not tutorial initiated) ..as well as all tutorial winmailedit initiated entries and everything else connected to the files removed which was more than usual. This is the FIRST time that MS has ever done that so completely, and I expect that in itself is very telling, of what we can expect going forward.

    I'll have a longer look at it in the days to come, and try a few more various reverse maneuvers than I've already tried today, but I am more inclined to wait and see what they do with the next RTM, and if they still intend on neutralizing WinMail, then decide if for future Windows 10 versions if this is worth pursuing.
    I'll just comment now that for what I've seen so far of what they did - seems intentional, and probably not just because of this one pre-release version, besides why would they.. ..and so for that reason it most likely will continue to carry forward. Time will tell though....

    In the meantime I have updated Post #1 with 2 more OS installs with working WinMail screenshots.
    Windows Server 2012-R2
    ....&
    Windows 10 build 16193

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