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How to use Winmail on Windows 8.

  1. #11


    Posts : 165
    Windows 8


    You don't need to "take ownership".

    Simply:
    • Delete "Windows Mail" folder in Windows 8 ("take ownership" not necessary)
    • Copy "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) to the same place (c:\programs)
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"

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  2. #12


    Posts : 85
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    You don't need to "take ownership".

    Simply:
    • Delete "Windows Mail" folder in Windows 8 ("take ownership" not necessary)
    • Copy "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) to the same place (c:\programs)
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
    On a fresh 8 install with no changes, Absolutely, Yes You Do need to take ownership, otherwise it will Not let you delete the folder, and it prompts you as such, Confirmed! Once you take ownership then it Will let you delete the folder. Do you want a Screenshot for proof ...not to mention HSA within.
    Last edited by endeavor; 26 May 2012 at 06:20. Reason: Screenshot
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  3. #13


    Posts : 165
    Windows 8


    Yes, now I see: You are right. And that's logically.

    What I have done and not remembered befor:
    I renamed the "Windows Mail" folder to "Windows Mail 8". For this I don't need to take ownership (and that's not logical).
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  4. #14


    Posts : 85
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    ...and also remember that the msidcrl30.dll came out of the "C:\Windows\System32" folder and is where it should be put back.



    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    Yes, now I see: You are right. And that's logically.

    What I have done and not remembered befor:
    I renamed the "Windows Mail" folder to "Windows Mail 8". For this I don't need to take ownership (and that's not logical).
    ...renaming your "Windows Mail" folder like you did ...I don't see how that would work going forward when all registry references to the files within are pointing to the original, I could go on...

    Since this thread is for those that are just installing Windows 8, and they go to the 7 tutorial linked in my above post to use accurate automation to run the new batch files to set the rest of WM up, none of the references to the "Windows Mail" folder within that bat will match either if you rename it... And so since this thread is to Help people who may want to reactivate WM on 8, I would advise to stick with the known and what works.
    Last edited by endeavor; 09 Sep 2012 at 09:52. Reason: fix link pointer
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  5. #15


    Posts : 165
    Windows 8


    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    •Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    ...and also remember that the msidcrl30.dll came out of the "C:\Windows\System32" folder and is where it should be put back.
    "msidcrl30.dll" can also be saved in "Windows Mail" folder - not necessary to save it in "C:\Windows\System32"

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    ...renaming your "Windows Mail" folder like you did ...I don't see how that would work going forward when all registry references to the files within are pointing to the original, I could go on...
    You misunderstand me. I meant:
    • Rename "Windows Mail" to "Windows Mail 8" (for not to need take ownership)
    • Create new "Windows Mail" folder (so all registry references still being correct)
    • Copy content of "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) into new created "Windows Mail" folder
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
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  6. #16


    Posts : 85
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    "msidcrl30.dll" can also be saved in "Windows Mail" folder - not necessary to save it in "C:\Windows\System32"

    You misunderstand me. I meant:
    • Rename "Windows Mail" to "Windows Mail 8" (for not to need take ownership)
    • Create new "Windows Mail" folder (so all registry references still being correct)
    • Copy content of "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) into new created "Windows Mail" folder
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
    Dear NiFu

    ~ I am saying the best suggestion is to place the msidcrl30.dll right back where it came from as it was intended, and that's the "C:\Windows\System32"

    ~ I am saying that without other modifications you cannot just rename the WinMail Folder to WinMail 8 like you say you did and still delete it, and without even testing that idea I know that you can't ...remember HSA files within, etc. Do you want yet another screenshot with Tested Proof, again!

    ~ In your layout you did not even mention that you have to run the WinMailEdit.reg, of which you do to solve all the problems that it does.

    ~ Anyway, I am Not going to reply to these issues with you anymore.
    ...I am simply reiterating that my first post is accurate and I've hands on Tested and Proven it every step of the way. Thank You.


    All The Best


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    Last edited by endeavor; 25 Feb 2017 at 07:52. Reason: fix link pointer
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  7. #17


    Posts : 165
    Windows 8


    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    ~ I am saying the best suggestion is to place the msidcrl30.dll right back where it came from as it was intended, and that's the "C:\Windows\System32"
    Why ? "msidcrl30.dll" is only needed for WinMail - not for Windows 8. So: Why not put it in the folder of Windows Mail ?

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    ~ I am saying that without other modifications you cannot just rename the WinMail Folder to WinMail 8 like you say you did
    I can - and you have done it also.

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    and still delete it
    I haven't deleted it.

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    , and without even testing that idea I know that you can't ...remember HSA files within, etc. Do you want yet another screenshot with Tested Proof, again!
    The screenshot shows exactly what I mean:
    You have renamed the folder to "Windows Mail 8"
    But you cannot delete it. But deletion it not necessary.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 85
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    Semantics! Whether you copy/paste the Windows Mail folder from 7 to 8 is still in essence deleting/replacing everything within the Windows Mail folder on 8 which is what you want to do anyway, and that point still is if it's showing you can't delete 8's folder which still means you can't delete/replace the files within it until you get it's permissions in order! ..but I've already explained all that, it's quite obvious, and am Not going to explain it again since I already have, as with everything else.

    Anyway Slartybart has told me he does not want to adapt the project automation we have going on this forums sister Windows Sevens Forum, for WM on 7, and incorporate it into this WM on 8 here, and so then I'm not going to tend to it here either. The information is all here for anyone to do.
    Last edited by endeavor; 09 Sep 2012 at 09:48. Reason: fix link pointer
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  9. #19


    Posts : 165
    Windows 8


    I think you don't read my post exactly:
    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    Whether you copy/paste the Windows Mail folder from 7 to 8
    I don't copy Windows Mail folder, but content of Windows 7 Mail folder.

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    that point still is if it's showing you can't delete 8's folder
    I don't delete Windows 8 folder, but rename Windows 8 folder.

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    which still means you can't delete/replace the files within it
    I don't delete/replace files, but copy files into a new created folder.

    Read exact - where do you read "delete" or "replace" in the following ???

    • Rename "Windows Mail" to "Windows Mail 8" (for not to need take ownership)
    • Create new "Windows Mail" folder (so all registry references still being correct)
    • Copy content of "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) into new created "Windows Mail" folder
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
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  10. #20


    Posts : 85
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Okay I see what you are saying with your Windows Mail Folder that now you have two folders; you threw me from your post #11 where you said you "Deleted the Windows Mail folder" but the next post said you really didn't. I remembered and see you also said you "Copy Windows Mail '''Folder''' from Vista to the same place on 8" ...but now say you only copy all the files inside the folder - I can't keep up with you keep changing your mind, but no problem NiFu because on that point of course we all know that whether you simply copy the whole working folder from 7 to 8 after having set permissions, or instead do it your way and copy all the files within the 7 folder and creates a new folder on 8 and renames it the same name while renaming the original something else, phew ..but it ends up being the exact same folder and contents doesn't it ... as I said it's just Semantics.

    Anyway you're saying you actually have Two folders in your programs folder but just renamed one of them to 8 to have it be inactive - okay that'll work since you must already have WM working, but no where since 2009 have I've seen anyone do it that way but instead uses the original method as outlined in both forums original posts and throughout the threads on the topic.. ..but I get it you like to be rouge and do your own thing for your own folder not to mention the dll placement, nor not even using the reg file with its known benefits... but hey if it works for you that's fine, enjoy...
    Last edited by endeavor; 12 Jun 2012 at 16:37.
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