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How to use Winmail on Windows 8.

  1. #151


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Hi Bill,
    Nothing is really changed with the basics of the revised directions from the beginning, except it's now just more detailed and in bullet form. You say you did 3 other Windows 7 computers, but of course WinMail on 8 is different you know that right?.

    The answer to your problem is that you did not do the steps properly is all, and/or used the wrong x86 or x64 files. Remember unlike on 7, on 8 you have to (it's easier and all inclusive) to replace the entire folder, but it's not just one file like on 7. I have to say again first though this is a self-help thread really, and for computer savy people, and it is to empower you to simply follow the details properly, and in turn this empowers others that come here to do the same. Read my Posts from just two weeks ago.
    Then do the procedure on Post #1 but this time do it correctly. It's easy for advanced users, who are the only ones who should attempt this.

    Post back and tell us of your success, and please tell me if there is something in my directions I could of added which would of helped you to succeed better the first time, and if accurate I will be happy to edit my instructions even better. It's already easy to do for advanced users, but if we could make it easier with your or anyones suggestions, we will. We want to empower everyone who is able and wants to, to succeed. Thank you.
    Last edited by endeavor; 06 Aug 2017 at 10:19.

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  2. #152


    Kentucky
    Posts : 21
    Windows XP/VISTA/7/10


    Hi Endeavor,
    Thanks for your help & time you dedicate to those of us that are hung to Windows Mail. BTW, I'm not a novice on PCs as I've worked on & used them since 1985. I apparently didn't save the correct Program Files/Windows Mail or from Program Files(86)/Windows Mail nor did I apparently use the right msidcrl30.dll. So I started over and used the msidcrl30.dll you recommend in your Post 140. Still no help thus I rolled my PC back to Windows 70 & all is well. I still like to go to 10 & use WinMail but think I'll give my brain a few days to rebuild. I'm a bit confused as to whether I should use (86) or not Program Files folder.

    No, I didn't know WinMail in 8 was different then 7. You reference you used your 7 Folder in all three OSs. I've successfully as I mentioned in previous that I had Activated WinMail in three 7 PCs. I did them at that time in about 30 minutes for all 3, so not completely illiterate on these things.
    Again, thanks for your time & resources..............................Bill
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  3. #153


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Hi Bill, good morning.
    A few thoughts first, when I install Windows 10 for sure did it on it's own fresh partition.
    Fresh installs are the best, but upgrading is okay too for convenience not necessarily accuracy, as well you get that huge GB windows old folder to carry around till you dump it (but actually as a test I might even do an upgrade myself when 10 is a little more seasoned) ..it's as of right now on my list because I want to track exactly what a fully loaded Win7 to Win10 upgrade process would do to all my WinMail 'email message store' files located at:
    C:\Users\name\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail
    I've not tested a fully loaded 7to10 upgrade way yet, only fresh installs and 10to10 upgrades, but I suspect all the upgrade does just like I've noticed 10 to 10 upgrades do, is to over-write most all the files in the WinMail Programs folder, and you would just have to Take Ownership of it again, and copy back in place your saved 'working' one, and merge WinMailEdit.reg for gp ...all the same info is on post #1 though.
    I would always suggest to create a 'partition backup' of your original Win7 install first before upgrading! ..that way if you want to roll back as you say, you do it more precisely by, restoring the partition image with no install leftovers, or any other standard roll back anomalies, and at the same time you still have a partition image of 10 to restore right back to where you were, still having 7 !
    Not sure if you're 'in to' using imaging software or not or have that flexibility, I would hope so, and of course then before doing any major upgrade you create a backup of where you're coming from first so that no matter what happens, you are guaranteed a way back precisely byte for byte to what you had before; also you can restore various saved time-line partition images of whatever OS you want to play with. I don't mean to digress but the thought of you rolling a Win10 installation back to Win7 just because of WinMail seems a little bit drastic. Also it's good to have working OS's of both OS's and not just depend on one upgrade process and that if you'll even like the different feel of 10. I find myself booting back to Win7 all the time still.
    If you don't have any partition imaging programs, that's fine, let's get back to WinMail and your questions:

    ~ On x64 versions, no don't use that (x86) folder, only use the "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail" folder

    ~ When I referenced WinMail on 8 is different than on 7, what I was specifically referring to is that it's only just ''the process to reinstate WinMail is different on each OS'' ...but my saved 'working' WinMail programs folder itself and all it's files within that I used, are always the same folder! ..whether I transfer from Win7, to Win8, or to Win10, they are identical and are the original first modified folder to get WinMail working on Win7 in the first place. The only exception of course is if your OS is a 32-bit vrs 64-bit OS, and so naturally I keep two sets of working WinMail Program Folders, one is for my 32bit OS's and the other for my 64 bit OS's because They Are Different, but in each case yes they go to the "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail" folder location - hope that clarifies it.
    Last edited by endeavor; 06 Aug 2017 at 10:18. Reason: link
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  4. #154


    Posts : 1
    retairt


    thank you for win mail information.
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  5. #155


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Quote Originally Posted by karam1477 View Post
    thank you for win mail information.
    You're welcome karam, and to you and also a reminder for everyone, one of the other best ways to show your appreciation to someones post that helped you (can only do this when you're logged-in though) ...is when you also click the little 'hand-thumbs-up' icon on the bottom left of the post that helped you - doing that gives special recognition to the person you are thanking, and that is for sure Always Appreciated!
    Last edited by endeavor; 29 Aug 2015 at 13:21.
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  6. #156


    Kentucky
    Posts : 21
    Windows XP/VISTA/7/10


    Good evening endeavor,
    Sorry about slowness in reply but been sick all week so on here very little. Anyway, I went to your post about "2015 Revised", printed copy of it then followed it step-by-step. Not getting error I reported in Post 159 of this Thread. Still not working. I Took Ownership of Folder you mentioned then Deleted it, replaced it with copy of Windows Mail Folder I had saved prior to upgrade, anyway, followed all as you recommended. Also tried a Restart, no help.
    I'm just flustered as I had no problems Activating WinMail on my PCs once I got them with Windows 7.
    Any other suggestions appreciated.................Bill
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  7. #157


    Kentucky
    Posts : 21
    Windows XP/VISTA/7/10


    Hi again Endeavor, I had put the msidcrl30.dll in my System32 Folder that was in one of your post. Well, just for kicks, I copied the msidcrl30.dll from my old 7 system32 Folder & inserted it in place and now all works great. Thanks & I did leave you "thumbs up" on Post 162..............Bill
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  8. #158


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Quote Originally Posted by billg226 View Post
    Hi again Endeavor, I had put the msidcrl30.dll in my System32 Folder that was in one of your post. Well, just for kicks, I copied the msidcrl30.dll from my old 7 system32 Folder & inserted it in place and now all works great. Thanks & I did leave you "thumbs up" on Post 162..............Bill
    My Dear Bill,
    What do you mean by saying just for kicks you tried what you did, as if it wasn't already mentioned? <smile>
    In your post right above your last one you said that you even printed out the instructions, right <smile>
    Notice I'm trying to be polite by putting <smiles> all over

    If you go back and look at step 6 on my instructions, and the ones you printed out - it says, quote:
    copy/paste your Windows 7 C:\Windows\System32\msidcrl30.dll file over to Windows 8 same.

    !
    _____________________________

    btw, remember you have an x64 OS right, and so you must use the x64 msidcrl30.dll then too!
    For some reason you decided to use the x86 msidcrl30.dll
    I will go and edit my post #1 to make that more clear.

    Most importantly I came back to my post after supper to edit it here, because I wanted and should have said first thing as a positive, congratulations and nice job getting WinMail going, way to go bill !!!
    Last edited by endeavor; 06 Aug 2017 at 10:22. Reason: link
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  9. #159


    Posts : 98
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    In an effort to avoid any x86 or x64 confusion like we've seen earlier today, I've edited post #1 and now have 5 attachments available, and so besides supplying just an x86 version of the msidcrl30.dll file - I now also supply the x64 too.

    I've also decided for anyone's convenience to also supply a working x86 Windows Mail Program Folder files too, and also a x64 version as well. I hope this will help make things easier.
    Last edited by endeavor; 06 Aug 2017 at 10:25. Reason: link
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  10. #160


    Kentucky
    Posts : 21
    Windows XP/VISTA/7/10


    Good evening endeavor, Again thanks for your helpful posts. Because of brain stem stroke I had in 95, I some times I read things back word, i.e.: 68 instead of 86, so you right in your reply #167. What you did in post 10 will really be a big help & you've gone far above & beyond. The best advice is read & reread instructions.
    Again thanks...............Bill
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