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How to use Winmail on Windows 8.

  1. #121


    Posts : 5
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    Hi, endeavor
    Thank for Your answer, but Windows 7 & Windows 8.1 are completely different systems in terms of how to make Windows Mail fully usable, so I think I should to stay here

    So, beta testers still are needed

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  2. #122


    Posts : 85
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    SFC /SCANNOW

    On a working WinMail setup, when you run sfc /scannow on Windows 8 or 8.1, or Windows 10, whether x86 or 64, WinMail will stop working.
    SFC doesn't just change one WinMail program folder file like it does on Windows 7, but it changes almost all of them, depending.
    As well some major (sometimes minor) Windows Updates also stops WinMail from working, by changing these files.
    For simplicity sake, to get WinMail working again the best and easiest way to do so is just to re-take ownership of the Windows 8 or Windows 10 Windows Mail program folder, delete it, and copy back in a saved copy of your working one.

    I bench tested sfc /scannow with Windows 8.1 with the latest updates, and this weeks Windows 10 build 10130

    I've edited my installation instructions at the beginning of this thread at Post #10 to reflect various changes.
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  3. #123


    Posts : 5
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    As I wrote on Win 7, it's simply because on Win 8 You need different registry keys from Win 7 and on Win 10 You need different keys from Win8. And while You don't want to co-operate for getting improvement, all You have is posting those "smart" investigations
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  4. #124


    Posts : 85
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    I have Windows Vista/7/8/10 on my test bench setups installed for testing (not VM's either but actual installs) consisting of x86/x64, 8 OS's for testing.

    software/registry tracking shows me that:
    ~running sfc /scannow on Win8/10 overwrites 9 out of 11 files in it's WM programs folder whether x86/64 - where on Windows 7 it's only 1 file.
    ~There are 5 registry s/b/s keys which affects this, maybe more, I've tested most of them on both Windows 8 & 10, but in that process and observing the cbs.log file - I have come to realize this:
    ~Especially for Windows 10 - I do not want to remove any s/b/s/ registry keys since more-than-likely it will affect more than just our old Vista WinMail program, but also targets their new ''Windows Mail'' App that's installed on these new builds of Win10 coming into play - I have no intention on interfering with that or anything else just for the sake of our old Vista WinMail eMail client.
    ~Besides that and as Important, various Windows Updates when done overwrite at will those same WM program files too, for their own app reasons, and removing any s/b/s registry keys will Not stop that 'WU' process.
    ~In light of both of those issues, what I am saying, for those who use this old Vista WinMail email program on Win8/10 and it gets broken either because of running SFC, or Windows Updates - that it's Much Better, AND, More Appropriate, to put it back into working status by a simple one click Take Ownership reg> delete the WM Programs folder> then copy/paste their backup WM folder in its place.. ..takes me just 10 seconds.. ..done! Safe & Effective! ..without compromising other operations. Tested! Proven! ..on Windows 8, 8.1, and 10.
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  5. #125


    Posts : 5
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    Ah, catch it. I'm sorry for misunderstanding.

    I know for Win 8.1 it's OK (in adding for right files cache tweaking stops updates for native mail help or something similar: I can't remember what a thing exactly because that native POS don't matter for me absolutely; at other hand, it isn't something destroy system definitely), but for Win 10 it's different case. I don't interesting that OS, so I didn't make appropriate tests at all, hence, I can't say anything meaningful about side effects.
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  6. #126


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
    Posts : 681
    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    Tried this in my Win 10 (L: partition) and got the following in the Elevated CMD:
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  7. #127


    Posts : 4
    win 7


    i followed that and still got can not find msoe.dll error?
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  8. #128


    Posts : 85
    Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)


    Hi Peter, good to hear from you, hope you are doing well?

    As far as that error you received, L partition hmmm, well try just just sticking the dll in the same WM programs folder you're running from and start it.
    You know I've Never has to register the dll either, and I've done the procedure so many times I've lost count, nevertheless you can see others run into it. If you did though, don't forget to change the path of the command to L

    I know you are a fantastic forager of answers, and we know that on a daily basis you mostly give them too, so I'll let you do the walking. If you did everything else right, it'll be easy to fix, and we know for a fact you are very talented and handy.

    ~~~~~~~

    @ stiffler, you really don't give a lot of details, and you need to give the exact wording of the error, but giving so little details how do we know you did everything exactly? If you did, it would work.
    This is a self-help thread, and so please do your part. Thank you!
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  9. #129


    Posts : 4
    win 7


    i did this:

    Then right click on your W8 'Program Files/Windows Mail' folder, and click Take Ownership.
    ~ Then right click on your W8 'Program Files/Windows Mail' folder, and Delete it.
    ~ Then copy/paste your saved *working* Windows 7 (or Vista) 'Windows Mail' folder to Windows 8 same.
    ~ Create a shortcut from the WinMail.exe you just copied - to the Desktop.
    ~ copy/paste your Windows 7 C:\Windows\System32\msidcrl30.dll file over to Windows 8 same.
    ~ Download the WinMailEdit.reg (supplied at the bottom of this post) ..and merge it (x86/x64)
    ~ Then you are done..

    when i try to open the mail in win 10 i get "windows mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not be loaded.
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  10. #130


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
    Posts : 681
    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    Actually with Win 10 I'm poking around rather blindly but am assuming it works similarly to Win 8.1 which I had before. The last time I put WinMail in an unconventional situation was here on my Win 7 which worked fine. I even got the Calendar working too. I don't recall ever having to register a .dll back then , but I was using the Tute in the Win 7 forums which is basically a batch file and not the Win 8 thread which talks about doing things the hard way.

    I'll investigate further.
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