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  1. #11


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    With this setup there are two IE10s, a 64 & 32bit version in Program files and Program files (x86). And both versions will open the tax portal. And that is a big plus for IE10.
    That's because they both load 32bit tabs - they're the same browser engine, so running one over the other makes NO difference at all - the tabs are all still 32bit, hence why they both work. That site seems like it would have an activex control loaded on it if it doesn't work in modern IE, as a 64bit rendering engine would render a site exactly the same as a 32bit rendering engine - the only difference is the ability to load activex controls, which desktop can do with 32bit tabs.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    The question is, when I buy the OEM builder retail version of W8 64bit will it work the same as the Enterprise version? I don't want to buy it and then find I'm stuck with something that won't work. I'm guessing from what you've said re 32bit tabs that when I open IE10 from the 64bit program files, since it's on the desktop, it's opening with the 32bit tabs?
    Yes indeed - the desktop browser behaves the same regardless of if it's a 32bit or 64bit browser - the tabs are 32bit. It's why, by default (before you hacked the OS ), opening the 32bit browser on a 64bit system launched the 64bit browser instead (it's a safer container than the 32bit browser container). And to your first question - yes, the IE behavior here would be the same regardless of product edition.

    Ultimately, your site's issue is not specifically a Win8 problem (it's a problem caused by IE's security and control design on Win8), but it is the same problem that ANY site with an activex control will face on Win8 in the modern browser. What the site developer(s) would want to do is actually add the "requiresActiveX=true" meta tag to the site's page(s) that tells the modern browser that the site requires the desktop browser - the user will see a pop up, be able to launch the desktop browser automatically to the site, and it would work. After that, the web developer would want to stop using activex controls, long term, and design for web standards and (recommended) touch support.

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  2. #12


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    @cluberti Wow! I'm impressed. Thanks very much for the input. It's put my mind at rest. I was thinking of getting the 32bit to be safe as I use the tax portal all the time. However, I prefer 64bit and will now proceed with that. So thanks again. I'll be going full steam ahead with W8 Pro 64bit OEM disk version from retailer.

    It's interesting to note that Firefox would open the tax portal on W7 64bit. But I prefer IE, and never checked if the Firefox was 32 or 64bit.
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  3. #13


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    The site might very well have logic around detection of the browser, and provide different content based on it (it's a very common practice). What's usually quite funny is if the site provided the same code to IE10 as it does to Firefox (where no ActiveX controls could ever be loaded, as it's not IE) the site would very, VERY likely have loaded and worked fine inside the modern IE browser . This smells of site design from many years ago and poor/old-style browser version detection, which Microsoft doesn't really recommend either nowadays (because stuff like this happens):
    HTML5 - Browser and Feature Detection

    The problem with this approach is twofold. First, it bundles multiple assumptions about the features the browser supports in one check. A single wrong assumption can break the site. So as a developer you have to keep track of exactly which features each version of a specific browser supports.

    The second issue is that this browser check doesn’t take browser versions into consideration and therefore isn’t future-proof. Even if it works with today’s version of a browser, the next release might not require—or worse, might remove support altogether for—a workaround that the browser detection was used to add to the site.

    Therefore, if you have to use browser detection, make sure you take the version into consideration and only use this approach to detect legacy browsers, as shown in Figure 1
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    I use Chrome as well, but given IE (assuming you sync it with a Live / Microsoft ID, similar to using your Google ID to sync Chrome settings) does this as well with Windows 8, it would at least be a wash for IE on Win8. Chrome can do this across multiple OSes, so that's a plus for Chrome if you need that, of course.
    Yeah, IE is coming along in that respect. But I'm not going to be on Windows 8 for quite some time, and certainly not on all of my WIndows machines. And I do want the multi OS support, at least for Linux and Android.
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  5. #15


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    @cluberti It's hard to know what's going on with the web site. The Australian Taxation Department web site runs the initiating tax portal entry point, but this opens a separate secure window. This 2nd window in turn acts as a gateway to the actual tax department records for each individual's files. But to open the gateway to access the tax records, the second window uses Java to locate and verify a digital certificate called AusKey, which is provided by a 3rd party commercial company.

    In IE9 64bit in W7, the secure window opened by the tax portal cannot detect the AusKey digital certificate. But it can detect it in 32bit IE9. Maybe it's Java that's the problem by not working in 64bit?
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  6. #16


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    If it really is java (and not javascript), then that's your issue right there. Java - /spit .
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  7. #17


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    If it really is java (and not javascript), then that's your issue right there. Java - /spit .
    When the secure window opens in 32bit IE9, the Java icon appears in the bottom right notification area, and if the mouse is hovered over it, the baloon message says: Java Platform. It then auto detects the AusKey and allows the password to be entered in the secure window to log in.

    If the same procedure is done with 64bit IE9, the Java icon does not appear, and the error message comes up on the screen: "You do not have any of the software that is required to login." This means it can't detect the AusKey because Java is not working.

    I'm don't know if it's Java or Java script?
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  8. #18


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    If you don't have the 64bit Java package installed, this would happen. On 64bit OSes, you would need to install both the 32bit and 64bit Java installers to cover both scenarios.
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  9. #19


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Many thanks cluberti. I've installed the 64bit Java package and all good, working on both 34 & 64bit IE9.

    I also run Free Download Manager, and have noticed the same scenario with this app. It auto opens to download stuff with 32bit IE9, but not in 64bit. However, DLM does not offer a 64bit version and only loads to Program files (x86).

    Cheers M
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  10. #20


    USA
    Posts : 13
    Windows XP and Windows 7 Home Primimum


    Seriously, Google Chrome is better in my opinion, than any browser. I don't have Windows 8, so I don't know about what is best on Metro. What do you guys like?
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