Windows 8: Give Microsoft credit for betting the farm

And that's just what they are going to be doing!

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Windows 8: Give Microsoft credit for betting the farm[/h] By Larry Dignan
June 8, 2012, 10:20am PDT


Summary: Microsoft is trying to make its customers think different with its Metro UI on Windows 8. Even if customers don’t come along, Microsoft has shown a willingness to bet its cash cow.


Microsoft’s Windows 8 and its Metro UI has sparked extreme reactions and there appears to be little middle ground. Windows 8 will either be a hit or the next Vista. But let’s give Microsoft credit for making one gutsy bet.


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In short, Microsoft is looking to unify its phone, desktop and tablet interfaces. That move alone is pretty ballsy. Even more ballsy is that Microsoft is upending years of user habits and offering a UI that reshapes the software vendor’s approach to computing. Microsoft is trying to make its customers think different.


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On the Start screen once the RP went I simply right clicked to uninstall a lot of the prepackage garbage to make room for the real apps I was trying out! Once I get back in there again the Start screen will look quite a bit different as I also look for a change in appearance as far as background not simply a limited color selection.

I think for most the difference in thinking will tend to trend away from rather then to this "new MS approach". "Forget about point and click entirely! We will give you touchscreen only type OSs from now on!" as the once giant monopoly falters into Chapter 11? :what:

You know that will never happen while 8 is focused primarily on the portable market while still able to be run on a desktop. The main point emphasized there however was there being little if any middle ground between like or not like as far as what 8 is bringing. When you take it out for a test drive instead of ending up with a luxury ride like a Jaguar or Lamborghini you suddenly realize you are in a Honda Civic!

"Excuse me Mr. MS, you wouldn't happen to have something else(as far as OS) I can try out would you?"
 

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In short, Microsoft is looking to unify its phone, desktop and tablet interfaces. That move alone is pretty ballsy. Even more ballsy is that Microsoft is upending years of user habits and offering a UI that reshapes the software vendor’s approach to computing. Microsoft is trying to make its customers think different.

They may well be looking to unify everything but it would have been better for MS to simply say Win8 (or Metro) is for tablets/phones and leave Win7 as it is for desktops/laptops. If folks chose to install Win8 on their desktop/laptop then that would be their decision but as it stands, MS is trying to convince everyone that Win8 is the way to go. Many media reports are pretty negative about the Metro UI on a desktop/laptop which was not the case at the same stage pre Win7 launch.

Sure, desktop/laptop sales may be down but it's the total user base you need to consider and that's an area that MS are treating with contempt imo. By all means push Win8 into the desktop/laptop market but give users the choice of Metro or Classic UI at installation but I suppose that would defeat the object of pushing paid for downloaded apps and monthly subscription cloud computing.

Historically, all empires fail eventually and who knows, MS could just be one of them. I hope not as I'm fed up with hearing about overpriced Apple this and Apple that. One day though Apple will cease to be a fashion accessory.
 

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Here's the thing. Microsoft isn't listening to what consumers want. They are assuming we want Metro everywhere when in reality, we don't and never will. The reason why Vista was a flop when it was released was because Microsoft didn't LISTEN to their CUSTOMERS. I like Vista now, after 2 service packs. I'm not a Vista hater at all because I'm typing this on a Vista laptop. Anyway, I hope Microsoft learns to listen to customers more, or else they are going to fail.
 

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Thing is, you don't go 'all in' holding a pair of twos....
 

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They do need credit for that. They even said a LONG time ago that Windows 8 will be their most riskiest bet ever.

The story sounds a lot like that of the Windows Phone, the design team of it decided that either option of keeping Windows Mobile 6 and building off that is just as risky as rebuilding it into Windows Phone 7 since they don't have a lot to lose. They chose the latter and look what happened from that decision, a revolution in Microsoft.
 

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Technically the metro stuff on the tablet side is risky but overall windows 8 is the same as all the other versions of windows. Save for them removing easier navigation for desktop users and combining the tablet/mobile with the desktop environment. They didn't really redesign the desktop from the ground up and start from scratch THAT would have been risky and them taking a risk. But I do give them credit for using metro because the IDEA in itself is very good to use. Graphic design is all around us along with being how things are communicated and using that as the foundation is a good idea. Unifying all the components should have been done and would have to be done anyway. They can't have metro phones some other tablet and another desktop they need something to tie in all the different products into one and in this case it would be metro. Their execution is another thing. The earlier concepts and the zune and media center showed much better use of their philosophy. This direction they are going in is been their problem. Credit I can give them for trying something different(kind of anyway).

At the core metro is full of icons called tiles and take up more space. It's the idea that I think they did a good job laying out for their design but their execution has been less promising which each new update. The product in itself is much better no doubt about it. I would prefer the performance of 8 over 7 but what else will make this product sell? The tablet has good idea but the tiles are messy when you have too many apps. For me that probably will not be an issue as I won't use tablet for anything beyond simple web surf and email. But for others that might be an issue. The hybrid thing can work if that's what you want but I don't know how vulnerable windows 8 is to viruses. That would be one of the problems of mixing the desktop and tablet side of things. In a way I can appreciate the panning of the tiles but I can see how that would be annoying if I really wanted to look for something without searching I would not appreciate having to scroll so much especially when I think about the grid system and how they could just lock everything into a grid where we could see a certain amount of icons and without cut off.

I will give them credit for trying to be different. Hopefully they have better things in store. The product is not horrible. Their issue mainly lies in their design.
 

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And that's just what they are going to be doing!

Windows 8: Give Microsoft credit for betting the farm

By Larry Dignan
June 8, 2012, 10:20am PDT


Summary: Microsoft is trying to make its customers think different with its Metro UI on Windows 8. Even if customers don’t come along, Microsoft has shown a willingness to bet its cash cow.


Microsoft’s Windows 8 and its Metro UI has sparked extreme reactions and there appears to be little middle ground. Windows 8 will either be a hit or the next Vista. But let’s give Microsoft credit for making one gutsy bet.


eb-02-win8rp-start-screen-small.png


In short, Microsoft is looking to unify its phone, desktop and tablet interfaces. That move alone is pretty ballsy. Even more ballsy is that Microsoft is upending years of user habits and offering a UI that reshapes the software vendor’s approach to computing. Microsoft is trying to make its customers think different.


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C'mon guys -- can't you people ever get real instead of just quoting a load of Horse sh***e from people who don't really use computers in their daily work.


Anybody in SERIOUS I.T work need to open many windows CONCURRENTLY -- for example translating documents / comparing spread sheets or websites etc etc.

We can't operate running apps in full screen mode only.

SERIOUS desktop / laptop users need a different system to mobile phone / tablet users.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is really living in "Cloud Cuckoo Land".

Cheers
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I think he may be right about one thing.

I suspect MS are going to have to put an enormous investment behind this thing to have any chance of reasonable sales figures.

It isn't going to sell itself, that's for sure.
 

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I think he may be right about one thing.

I suspect MS are going to have to put an enormous investment behind this thing to have any chance of reasonable sales figures.

It isn't going to sell itself, that's for sure.

The thing is, eventually it will be preinstalled on new PC's. Microsoft will get sales regardless of whether people want Windows 8 or not. Then they will brag about the sales. You'll never hear the end of it from our two resident Microsoft spin doctors either. :sarc:
 

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You'll certainly see new "touchscreen" laptops and desktops running 8. I doubt you will many new machines with 8 sold however since not all OEM are all set to go with touchscreen this and touchscreen that. And then you add the higher price for any touchscreen portable or desktop over systems still sold with 7 on them.

I certainly can't see 8 being any type of big seller for several reasons. As far as performance so far I haven't actually seen any large boost over 7. Plus with the CP or RP you are not running hardly anything on it while your 7 install by now is loaded with plenty of startup items! Any clean install with just the basics will always appear to be much faster!
 

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Implementation Problems

I am always seeing comment that say, "MS needs to innovate" or "they never innovate".

I disagree, MS comes up with a lot of "tweaks" in their software.
The problem is they usually do a half-a***d job of implementing them.

Whilst it's understandable that "a bunch of volunteers working out of their basements" might do this, it always astounds me that a multi-billion dollar company uses the same development process.

You want an example?
Word.
Instead of fixing the glitches, MS spends all of its time (and money) modifying the GUI.

The other day I was typing up a document (Word 2007) and the "Page Breaks" broke.
I had two blocks of text separated by a "Page Break", on the same page!
This happened multiple times (this was the first time I've seen this particular glitch).
To fix the problem, I had to reapply the "Page Breaks".

How do you get a fullscreen Print Preview in Word 2010?
Who decided that nobody uses fullscreen previews?

There's a button in the Quick Access commands list.
We added it to the Quick Access area, but it was perpetually greyed out.
 

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How do you get a fullscreen Print Preview in Word 2010?
Who decided that nobody uses fullscreen previews?

Easy! Take a snipping of the window the document is opened in and set as your wallpaper! :roflmao: That would be the MS solution rather then simply waiting years to updates fix bugs in things! XP as well as other MS office products are a fine example of "Who cares?"! They already made their money!

Now as far as innovation no one says their are not innovative like you are saying but how they apply the innovations is seen as a prime example with the Metro being tossed in everyone's faces! With 8 the focus is no longer on the Desktop edtions but how it will look in the portable, mobile market place. And as expected most will now be waiting for 9 or 10 or whatever in order to upgrade into any newer version of a "Desktop OS".
 

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I like the line "Microsoft is trying to make its customers think different." I love that. Unlike apple and their "be different," Microsoft is truly living up to that mantra. All apple did was brand themselves as someone different and not Microsoft, like you're part of a secular elite that knows everything and knows that apple is the best. That's really it.

But Microsoft is taking "thinking different" to a WHOLE extreme with the metro UI design. It will be everywhere. It changes the way we use and interact will ALL PCs, touch and non-touch, mobile and non-mobile. It will even change how we interact with our phones and game consoles. Though the change will have its naysayers, overall, I bet it will do well. Metro design is new, fresh, different, and modern. You have to admit it, NOTHING out there even remotely looks like it not ios, android, mac os, Linux, or even Windows 7. It's a huge break from the mold.

Metro Microsoft.....
 

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The problem is that it may be on everything but not best suited for the desktop to begin with! Rather then getting a new desktop version of the OS you are only going to end up with a large billboard sign for Mobile MS!
 

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You have to admit it, NOTHING out there even remotely looks like it not ios, android, mac os, Linux, or even Windows 7. It's a huge break from the mold.

Can't disagree with that statement but you have to wonder why nothing else in the wild looks like Metro. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. :)
 

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Apple and Linux fanboys ...

How do you get a fullscreen Print Preview in Word 2010?
Who decided that nobody uses fullscreen previews?

Easy! Take a snipping of the window the document is opened in and set as your wallpaper! :roflmao: That would be the MS solution rather then simply waiting years to updates fix bugs in things! XP as well as other MS office products are a fine example of "Who cares?"! They already made their money!

Good one. :D

Now as far as innovation no one says their are not innovative like you are saying but how they apply the innovations is seen as a prime example with the Metro being tossed in everyone's faces!

Apple and Linux fanboys are always saying that (on other sites I visit).

When MS does do something, the response is that they are simply copying Apple or Linux.

In fact the current mantra is that MS can't even copy Apple without screwing up (W8 vs iPad).
 

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    Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
    RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
    Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
    System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
    HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24,
Well they have something now no one else will want to be copying! The unfortunate side will be the retail look will likely be the exact same as you see now with the Metro. The color selector slider bar.

Would you want the beta fish wallpaper seen on the retail 7 10/22/09 launch? So far 8 doesn't offer much in the selection there either while 7 saw hidden themes and wallpapers to discover! Now you just see some pretty flowers and not much else until you can get some other backgrounds on the partition or drive where 8 is installed. :rolleyes:

Of course as we all know the prerelease Windows is always a little skimpy allowing the user to make choices later as far as customizing appearance to some extent anyways. I don't think the Fruit Company or open source community would go as far as radically change the main gui however while they may see more options for things like the KDE and Gnome desktops with the open source.

I never got into the Fruit Company as far as running that OS in any form or would likely unless 9, 10, 11 also promised nothing to look forward to either! "I want my Windows desktop OS back! :cry: " "Too bad! We're the Big, Bad, and Bold MS! and "WE" tell you how things will be!" as one analogy could illustrate.

Rather then immediately abandon Windows to run elsewhere would be kind of ridiculus as well. If you have been a Windows user all along what softwares do you generally run? Written for .... Windows!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Builds
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz -2nd case AMD Atholon II 3.2ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper-X DDR3 1600mhz 16gb - 2nd case Kingston Hyper-X "Fury" DDR3 1600mhz 8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Radeon HD 5750 1gb - 2nd AMD Radeon 6450
    Sound Card
    Creative Xtreme Gamer - 2nd case Realtek Onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 19" dual monitor setup - 2nd case HP 20" lcd
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 same on both builds
    Hard Drives
    1st build
    WD Caviar Black Edition Sata II 1tb two OS drives
    WD RE "Heavy Duty Sata II 2tb two Storage/Backup
    2nd build
    WD Blue Sata II 500gb
    WD Black Edition Sata III 1tb
    WD Green Power Sata II 1tb in external usb enclosure
    PSU
    Corsair TX750H 750w -Corsair 500w
    Case
    Antec 900-2 -NXZT Vulcan Mini tower/carrying handle
    Cooling
    120mm front pair, 120 rear 200cm top - 120mm Front intake 200mm side cover
    Keyboard
    Azio Blue led back lit both builds.
    Mouse
    MSI DS200 11 button programmable Gaming optical mouse - Odessa 3 button dual scroll trackball
    Internet Speed
    30mbps
    Other Info
    two MSI 22x ide dvd burners, 25 usb flash drives used for Linux Live, live data recovery 128gb, and Windows 7, 10 usb installation keys
The sheer cost of changing to Apple simply because I'm not (and probably never will be) a convert to Win8 as it stands is simply not viable. Linux may work well for some but until the Adobe folks port over their software then that's a no go for me as well.

So like many I will simply stay with my Win7 rig. It's working well with a small SSD for the programs and a conventional HD plus 8gb memory.

Personally I just wish MS would come out with the obvious. Win8 is for phones and tablets and Win7 is for desktops/laptops. Stop trying to push water uphill and convince all and sundry that this is the way things are going to be with Win8. The desktop and laptop are not dead. The user base is too huge for that.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5 2400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870
    Sound Card
    On-board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1280
    Hard Drives
    128gb SSD, 500gb SATA
    PSU
    Coolermaster
    Case
    Zalman Z7
    Cooling
    Air
    Keyboard
    Logitech Illuminated wired
    Mouse
    MS Optical wireless
    Antivirus
    Avast
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