Microsoft makes it official: We're all in with Android

Any doubt that Microsoft sees Android as an important part of its future should be erased with a just-announced deal with an Indian handset maker to manufacture dual-boot Windows-Android phones, and with Microsoft asking HTC to include Windows Phone as a dual-boot option on its Android phones. That's on top of Nokia's new line of low-cost Windows Phone devices. Is this a way to extend Windows Phone's life, or an admission of the platform's failure?
Read the rest here:Microsoft makes it official: We're all in with Android | Computerworld Blogs
 
LOL. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

Reasonable idea from MS point of view.They want to hook people into paying continuously for services which they control and from whom they can gather data.
 

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Oh well, I know I shall be sticking with my land-line, not that I was ever leaving it.
 

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it is always doom and gloom for Microsoft.
Everything is a failure and they are always on the verge of collapse.
How many decades has this been trumpeted now?

Actually, it's a somewhat good move on MS's part.
Beating Android from within. It's working in the USA society and gov't, why not in the tech field?

You all will say it's a sign of the Windows platform being dead. It's not. there is a much bigger picture here.
And it is not all Doom and Gloom for MS.

Enjoy your darkness and seething spite.


Nokia?s shrewd move with the Nokia X undermines Google, bolsters Microsoft | Windows Phone Central
 

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Speaking for myself, it is not doom and gloom, but the lack of choice. There are those that believe that Microsoft fits their needs. And then there are those who are quite frustrated that Microsoft does not listen to their needs. If you want a Windows phone, fine buy a straight Windows phone. Same with an Apple and the Android. But from what I am seeing is that Microsoft wants to dominate and now control not only computers but phones.
 

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And that is bad because why?
If so, then it should promote competition among other developers.
If they lack the ability, then who's fault is that? Not MS's.

Why isn't there OS's other than Linux, Unix or Apple? that's not MS's fault either.
Where is the so called Ubuntu Phone, and why isn't it more prevalent?
Because Linux is a niche OS, and will never get traction because it has no backing other than a community that is divided amongst themselves, elitist (for no real reason) and easily abandons projects.

If someone can do things better, why aren't they?

I don't blame MS, Apple or Linux for the lack of competition, well, actually I do.
Apple caters to the elite, Linux caters to the estranged. MS caters to the masses.
Android caters to the masses, but really only in the Phone arena, and some tablet (practically singular use devices, like Nook, Kindle, and simple App tablets) nothing spectacular, sorry, the Windows Pro Tablets dominate in that area.
The iPad may have some decent Apps, but can't run any desktop software.

If someone wants to try and build something better, why aren't they? Where are they? They certainly are not doing it.
 

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If you go just by the graph, Apple is losing share. Rapidly.
People are starting to realize and will over the next year, what a REAL tablet can do.
And it won't be iPad or Android that can ever accomplish that.
People can love their ToyPads all the want, but that will change. And it is.
I have had several people asking me about Windows Pro Tablets. And several that have looked at both
ipad and Windows Pro Tablets and took the Win Tablets and are not disappointed
Trust me, the age of the ToyPads is waning.

Despite the doom and gloom and Emergency French Toast. and the so called, not interested in Win8.x.
the next year will be very telling for all.
 

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If you go just by the graph, Apple is losing share. Rapidly.
People are starting to realize and will over the next year, what a REAL tablet can do.
And it won't be iPad or Android that can ever accomplish that.
People can love their ToyPads all the want, but that will change. And it is.
I have had several people asking me about Windows Pro Tablets. And several that have looked at both
ipad and Windows Pro Tablets and took the Win Tablets and are not disappointed
Trust me, the age of the ToyPads is waning.

Despite the doom and gloom and Emergency French Toast. and the so called, not interested in Win8.x.
the next year will be very telling for all.


ToyPad is an apt name. I bought a new 9.7" Android with Jellybean to experiment and so my dad could have one to take with him on his deployment and I installed a few basic productivity and weak game apps but mostly it sat in my drawer for a month whereas upon getting my new laptop last week (minus any corner refresh light flicker my old one had, which I had to give up sadly), it was a smorgasbord of customization gobbling up spare time.
The lack of extras in all compared to laptops is bad although the Windows 8 tablets seem the closest to laptops and if you're even thinking of getting a tablet for work purposes, it should be as close to a laptop that you can manage. And still, a lot of people are better of getting an ultrabook, especially for price.
 

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The reason that it's bad that Microsoft tries to dominate the phone market is because it grew into a cancer onto its desktop operating system.

That aside, the internet was so much more "the internet" before the cell phones and other various toys. It used to rule. Now it's just ok.
 

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Interesting.

The oems were blamed for poor sales of 8 because they weren't making enough expensive machines.

More recently, the poor sales of 8 are allegedly because there aren't enough cheap machines.

We hear MS are reducing the prices, or even giving it away.

One snag with that. What if people don't want it even if they give it away? I reckon MS understand that is not unlikely. Uh oh.

Whizo idea, bundle it with something people do want to buy. It goes along for the ride.
 

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Apple has sold only 70 million iPads Oh my. They're doomed!
 

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Yes, you do have a point there, mcnulty. Apple only sold 70 million, Android (and for those who are not aware of the fact, Android OS is Linux Kernel based, making it Linux) 121 million to Microsoft"s 4 million. Guess both Apple and Linux are doomed!
 

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Hi there
the problem isn't on how many HAVE been sold - that's revenue already earned -- what businesses need is FUTURE (and of course CONTINUING) revenue. Ms has loads of long running licenses with all sorts of businesses so it's not going bust any time soon.

I'm not sure how many large corporations or communications providers have long term service agreements with Apple - Ms has many.

While Apple has a huge cash pile and could go on for a while yet even if it didn't sell a single product - but eventually it would run out of cash and go bust.

Ms actually has more revenue streams so is not so dependent on the success or otherwise of a Windows / Android phone. However the idea of a dual bootable phone (Windows / Android) that's been mooted in some quarters is possibly a great idea -- as is the idea of a totally new OS which would run BOTH Windows and android apps concurrently -- rather like some phone based version of the quite well known Linux WINE projects where people attempt to run windows EXE files directly on Linux without the need of an intervening Virtual Machine layer.

Businesses survive on FUTURE revenue and products -- they can't live forever on past sales. For instance as far as APPLE is concerned -- who bothers buying an iPOD any more -- decent enough music players are incorporated into even cheap phones and with up to 64GB extra storage on a micro SD card -- well that's plenty of music for most people --even in uncompressed FLAC format. Apple IMO is in far more potential trouble than Ms is - that's why some sort of innovation and product announcements from both companies are needed

Cheers
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Very well stated, Jimbo. :thumb: The iPod example is best. Although a very innovative and successful device that made huge profits it's dead in the water because of new innovation of tech. All in all, someone needs to fill Job's shoes at Apple. I don't see it happening. They're relying on products they've had for quite some time.

No disrespect, but as soon as some of these geeks understand and take a business view of it the better off they'll be. One has to take that in to really see the big picture. One has to envision what it's going to be like two years down the road. MS being so diversified has the upper hand.

It may be easy for me to say because I'm enjoying 8.1 Pro with MC, Office 2013 Pro, Store apps, WP8, and all the services that come along with. It really has simplified my computing life either with production and consumption. MS has "fused" the two with their past vision of their system. I simply don't see anyone else accomplishing this.

Dual boot phones? Great idea. It's like a sales person getting a foot in the door. It gets their product in peoples hands to at least take a look at it to decide if they like it or not.
 

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Dual boot phones? Great idea. It's like a sales person getting a foot in the door. It gets their product in peoples hands to at least take a look at it to decide if they like it or not.
Agree with that. I can't see anyone rebooting their phone in daily use though.
 

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Yes, you do have a point there, mcnulty. Apple only sold 70 million, Android (and for those who are not aware of the fact, Android OS is Linux Kernel based, making it Linux) 121 million to Microsoft"s 4 million. Guess both Apple and Linux are doomed!

You posted this article specifically.

Please read link about who dominates the tablet market, I do not believe it is Microsoft...
Despite falling market share, iPads outsold next 4+ tablet makers combined in 2013 | 9to5Mac

If you look at the numbers from 2012 to 2013, Yes, Apple is losing. Yes they sold more, but not that much more than the previous year
And looking at all the other numbers that did double from 2012 to 2013, yeah, Apple is losing.
Looking at Other, which I am assuming is Android and possibly some Windows.
But this was the start of Windows Tablets, so,..... I think that is understandable

but coming from a Mac site, trying to spin those numbers,, they did a pretty poor job based on all the other numbers
The numbers that are in that article (as long as they are right) can't be disputed.

That article attempts to spin it in a postive, and from the numbers, that just isn't possible.

Apple certainly lost more than they gained.

PS: Android gained a lot, true, but that is in emerging markets I am sure.
 

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What I was trying to point out, Tepid, do not count out Apple or Android Tablets. Yes Apple has definitely been losing it's market, even with their iPhones to "Androids" but the way people feel about Eight? If they do not want to buy an Eight computer, what makes you think they are going to buy an Eight phone or tablet? Microsoft really dropped the ball on this one, it is just the question of how well the other players can capitalized on Microsoft's Eight Mistake.
 

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It isn't a mistake.
It's a mistake that people listen to so many so called Tech Columnists and really did not take the time to find out for themselves
That is seriously the mistake.

I am all for free market, and let the consumer decide the fate of products.
But when so much false press has been shoved to the forefront, and the fact that it is still here does go to show that Win8
will have an impact the next year.
It's still in it's infancy, so is the Windows Phone by all standards.

The biggest negative that people have the OS is the Start Screen, but they haven't even really given it a chance.
It's proven time and again.

I for one will champion Win8.x and WP8 and Tablets for as long as needed. And they ain't dead yet.
Infact, more and more people are starting to find these things out.

Again, The next year will be very telling.
 

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