10 stupid things 'experts' try to tell you about Microsoft

I think much of it is more wishful thinking on the part of the author, than actual fact. We already know windows Phone is going away, their restructure plan is a who knows no-man's land. I believe also, that the public's perception of Microsoft is weak, and Microsoft is trying anything and everything to fit into the new-age consumer world.

What they have failed to grasp, is the art of actually listening, they say they listen, but yet they do not hear. They are still playing the roll of telling everyone what is best for them. They fail to understand, that their new consumer's now, are people and not a corporate board.

What is sadder yet, the things that are holding them together were innovations from two decades ago, everything they do today is an imitation of everyone else. They are no longer innovator's, not even Window's 8 is a true inspiration.
 

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Ya, I agree to a certain extent, but they are in a tough position of having to try to fix what is not broken to continue making money.

In a perfect world, everyone runs Windows 7 and nothing else is ever needed. (Opinion only, of course!)
 

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I think much of it is more wishful thinking on the part of the author, than actual fact. We already know windows Phone is going away, their restructure plan is a who knows no-man's land. I believe also, that the public's perception of Microsoft is weak, and Microsoft is trying anything and everything to fit into the new-age consumer world.

What they have failed to grasp, is the art of actually listening, they say they listen, but yet they do not hear. They are still playing the roll of telling everyone what is best for them. They fail to understand, that their new consumer's now, are people and not a corporate board.

What is sadder yet, the things that are holding them together were innovations from two decades ago, everything they do today is an imitation of everyone else. They are no longer innovator's, not even Window's 8 is a true inspiration.

Very well put. This is probably the main reason I have chimed in as much as I have on these forums. I hold the hope that someone, maybe multiple someone's over in Redmond are listening and maybe even hearing some of what I have said. To my mind, so much of their current problems could have been so easily avoided, had they just been smarter about how they implemented some of these changes.

Replacing the old way, with an entirely new way that is not entirely logical and is actually highly confusing to many long time computer users, is a very poor tactic when you are releasing a new software version. You are then essentially forcing your user base to re-learn how to use their computers which is just not a successful approach to take, as has been undeniably observed.

Instead, a far better tact would involve including the old methods along with the new methods, and giving the end user the power of choice about how they intend to use what is given. Adopting this simple philosophy could have completely changed the way that initial taste of Windows 8 was on the palette of much of Microsoft's consumer base. First impressions are extremely important after all, as is the hype that is bound to follow with them...

Now what we see in subsequent releases, is a company basically backtracking to where they should have started, which in turn is piddling off an entirely different subset of their user base, those who had already taken the plunge into learning the new and abandoning the old. Oh Jeez, what are we to do? At this point, 'learn from it and move on' is about the best that can be accomplished. But seriously!! Please learn from it.

That's it from me for today..
 
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I think much of it is more wishful thinking on the part of the author, than actual fact. We already know windows Phone is going away, their restructure plan is a who knows no-man's land.

:roflmao:


Where, whom, and what source did you confirm that bologna of WP is going away? Please quit spreading FUD.
 

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If I can add some stuff...

Microsoft are so prevalent, they're omniscient. That package in the mail you ordered from the Amazon? Bet you anything Windows Xp/7 and Windows Mobile had a huge part in delivering and tracking it. That DVD you rented from that kiosk? Probably Windows Xp Embedded. That self checkout machine you used to avoid human contact? Windows Xp/7 Embedded.

They're not going away for a LOOONG time.

Also, I see this argument ALL the time from Linux users, that Windows is inherently flawed when it comes to security due to whatever. Yeah, the NT 6 kernel would like to have a nice fireside chat at how false that is. A lot the flaws security wise these days on Windows is third party software, Flash player is a GREAT example of that as well as google chrome as well as Adobe Photoshop as well as itunes. "Oh, but all of that third party software runs on Windows and that's why it's so bad for security!" Uh hu.... :rolleyes:
 

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Thank you Coke for putting some of the truth back into the total BS being put out in this thread. Sorry boys and girls, albeit Microsoft isn't going any where any time soon with their ready cash (true not as much as Apple) and with their annual intake of capital Microsoft should still be around for at least a couple more months oh at least until this coming Christmas. . .Hopefully.
 

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" What they have failed to grasp, is the art of actually listening, they say they listen, but yet they do not hear. They are still playing the roll of telling everyone what is best for them. They fail to understand, that their new consumer's now, are people and not a corporate board."

No sarcasm or other intended, but, for my curiosity, I would be grateful if someone could point me to any specific threads on the web, as to suggestions as to what should be included in Windows 8. I have been browsing since I firt read this thread, and cannot find anything specific. I do know that MVPs and other potential users were involved, but cannot track down anything of significance in the "consumers" category. Partners were given ample time to make suggestions, whether or not those suggestions were followed, we mortals will never know.

"What is sadder yet, the things that are holding them together were innovations from two decades ago, everything they do today is an imitation of everyone else. They are no longer innovator's, not even Window's 8 is a true inspiration."

A little contradiction of remarks in this thread, , I think. Windows 8 was , according to more than one post, too much of a change. (innovative). With a similar circumstance which occurred with the release of Vista, it does seem that the average user is not prepared to accept radical change. I can't argue with that - everyone to their own taste.

But, this is the most prolific Windows 8 site on the Web. I still, as I remarked in another thread, find it difficult to comprehend why, on such a site, there appears to be so much dislike of Microsoft and its products. I have to presume that all who post Windows 8 intelligence here are actually using it (?). Windows 7 is acknowledged by the majority, as being a fine OS. No one was forced to use Windows 8, so why not stay with Windows 7. I certainly take that approach with updates to third party software, including the associated updates.
Leaving aside the boring, and repetitious comments on the Modern GUI, what is it the users here are finding prohibitively wrong with Windows 8, as compared with previous "after the event" comments on Windows 7 and, even earlier, XP. They were numerous.
 

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Dave, it's probably when all the beta testers were screaming so loud that the internet almost collapsed, about how the Start screen should not be on desktop machines.

You asked about other things not liked in 8: The nonsense of not even being able to open apps like calculator or the like without signing in to MS account, the UEFI stuff, M$'s visions of making you pay through all acquired software through the store, placing things in different places unnecessarily "just because" and many changes were unintuitive, Flash being in Windows Update....a few other reasons but that sums up most of it.

IMHO, that Start screen has no place on a desktop. It should not even be included with the OS. It should be something M$ offers to download and install, if you want to look at it to check out and maybe use.

To contrast, ever since I got my hands on an early beta of 7, I have nothing but praise for it until this day. Heck, I even liked Vista from the beginnings and knew that my hardware being old was a fault of it not running so well and not MS fault.
 

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In a perfect world, everyone runs Windows 7 and nothing else is ever needed. (Opinion only, of course!)
You know, I'm not that convinced about it.
Despite still not liking the modern UI myself (to the extent I hardly ever use it, thanks MS for adding the option to return straight to the desktop when no apps are open), I must say that I moved to Windows 8.1 a month ago on my home all-purpose PC and I never looked back since.
UI-wise the desktop theme looks neater, performance-wise it feels quicker and more responsive than Windows 7.
Still I would have liked the chance to customize a little more the start screen (I'd love to have native wide tiles also for desktop apps for example and the chance to manually select the background color), but that's a marginal issue.

As for WP going away... No way. For what I've seen from my mates' Nokia phones (on my phone there's currently Android) WP8 is a very good mobile OS so I don't see why they should be dropping it.
The same goes for Windows RT as far as I'm concerned. If you need a lightweight laptop to carry wherever you go and just need Office/internet and social networks/mail/news and forecasts and maybe some little game to help you wast the time in which you're not working, RT is a more than viable option.
It also spares you from forking out for an Office license, and this is not a small deal.

My 2 cents anyway. :)
 

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hah yes, thank you for reminding me. Many (I would say definitely more than half) desktop users are saddened to see Aero glass removed in 8. Microsoft did that for one reason and one reason only, despite what anyone says: It is to save power on mobile devices. They then proceeded to spin it as "Flat is the new cool!" which worked to a large degree.

The hardware I run Windows 7 on is probably slower than 90% of the people that frequent this forum and sevenforums.com, at the moment. If Windows 7 is too slow for someone (and I am a speed freak in all things in life - sportbikes, even the way I go up and down stairs etc...) - then something is wrong with the system or perceptions are way skewed.

But glad to see your post and your opinions too!
 

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Many (I would say definitely more than half) desktop users are saddened to see Aero glass removed in 8.
Many of my friends who made the move (mainly people from university that had the chance to have a licensed copy of 8.1) said so, yes.
It's me who just likes having no transparencies or compositing effects in his way :D

Also, I must agree on the Vista part: indeed it's a good OS especially after the release of SP2. I didn't use it myself much, but Vista SP2 still runs rock solid on my uncle's PC from 2008.
 

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Well, I cant comment on the signing in with a live account in order to use Apps. I have no problem with signing in with such an account. I have several functions which require it, so use it.
UEFI was around the corner anyway. It would be incorporated into any OS that was neurotic regarding security.
Paying for Apps? Don't understand that one. Any Apps which are other than free, must be paid for.
The loss of Aeroglass is not a bug as such. It didn't bother me, as I have never used it. I use as little eye candy on my desktop as possible.
My one complaint was the inability to windows MS apps on the legacy desktop. I now use modernmix, which quickly sorted that. In fact, I have since found that my existing third party software, all of which windows on the legacy desktop, is enough - no need for anything in the store.
 

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The nonsense of not even being able to open apps like calculator or the like without signing in to MS account, the UEFI stuff, M$'s visions of making you pay through all acquired software through the store,

Where do people get this nonsense from? FffffUuUUUUUuuuuuddddDDDDdDD D D Duh

Maybe Microsoft's own website?

"To start looking for apps to install on your PC, tap or click Store on the Start screen to open the Windows Store. You need to be connected to the Internet to open the Store and you’ll need to sign in using a Microsoft account."

Perhaps I am incorrect about the specific calculator in Start screen (I did mention "or the like"), but surely to run any app there like calendar or play some game or use lots of things included there, you need to sign in. Even I know this and I haven't used Win 8 much at all ever. How about Calendar? Don't you need an account to open that simple app?

The whole wet dream of the Start screen is (or now - maybe - WAS due to enormous backlash and how they were forced to give in with 8.1) to control all you can do so they can monetize all you can do.

Paying for Apps? Don't understand that one. Any Apps which are other than free, must be paid for.

Don't you guys even know that Microsoft charges program authors something like 30% (could be more or less) to sell apps from the store. Anyone with half a brain can see that they are trying to corner the market so eventually all software will have to be purchased through them. Why do you think it is that you can't download apps from say, Filehippo? Oh right, I know: "security" heh. "It's for the children!" lol
 

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? I can download apps from File hippo.

Apple also charge for inclusion of their apps.

But what MS charge to programmers (for Metro Apps), I would say, is not a significant argument in this thread. It has little to do with faults in Windows 8. It certainly is not a legitimate response to my quote. What the end user pays, is the essential.

Programmers are not obliged to write Metro Apps. Should they choose to do so, and should it result in a significant rise in their end product, perhaps they best think in which direction they wish to go. As I said, I do not use the Metro Apps. It is my experience that those I have examined, have had an equal , or even superior model, in the non metro field.

I did, in my earlier post, suggest the discussion did not get into the Modern gui, but you have, nevertheless, chosen to mention it.

The computer business is unstoppably, heading for touch screens in everything from tablets to stationary monitors. Give MS a little credit for seeing the future advantage of that environment. Agreed, a pity that it wasn't introduced as an option, rather than the opening screen. Agreed, they should have left the old start menu there for those who preferred it.

As it is, it would be more difficult for a touch screen user to use that old start menu, than the modern gui. I have no difficulty using the gui with a mouse. I do wish I could have smaller icons, with text, though.

 

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In Silicon Valley (and in media satellites that take the NoCal mindset to New York and beyond), everyone has an iPhone, a MacBook Pro, and a Gmail account. Microsoft products and services might as well be from Mars. So be skeptical when you read analyses or predictions of what's coming next from Redmond.

Read more at: 10 amazingly stupid things the 'experts' will try to tell you about Microsoft | ZDNet


Great points that should consistently be made until they soak into some of these hard heads...;) Basically, if you don't know these things about Microsoft it's probably because you're a relative n00bie who is long on the popular tech press and very short on experience. I would've added another one:

"Microsoft is losing money and going broke." The reality is the exact opposite! Heh...;)

I particularly liked the Apple commercial with the 1990's CRT and the blue screen...! That sums up state of the art Apple "knowledge" about Microsoft: it's always, always 10-15+ *years* out of date...;) Nothing is more amusing than reading a Mac thread and listening to all the stuff they think they "know" about Windows...;) (Better than Saturday Night Live, it is.)
 

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In Silicon Valley (and in media satellites that take the NoCal mindset to New York and beyond), everyone has an iPhone, a MacBook Pro, and a Gmail account. Microsoft products and services might as well be from Mars. So be skeptical when you read analyses or predictions of what's coming next from Redmond.

Read more at: 10 amazingly stupid things the 'experts' will try to tell you about Microsoft | ZDNet


Great points that should consistently be made until they soak into some of these hard heads...;) Basically, if you don't know these things about Microsoft it's probably because you're a relative n00bie who is long on the popular tech press and very short on experience. I would've added another one:

"Microsoft is losing money and going broke." The reality is the exact opposite! Heh...;)

I particularly liked the Apple commercial with the 1990's CRT and the blue screen...! That sums up state of the art Apple "knowledge" about Microsoft: it's always, always 10-15+ *years* out of date...;) Nothing is more amusing than reading a Mac thread and listening to all the stuff they think they "know" about Windows...;) (Better than Saturday Night Live, it is.)
Probably remarkably similar to what people here know about Apple products.
 

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Living on innovations from two decades ago? What about the merge of code going to take place over this next decade to have one OS to rule all devices? Is that not innovation?

I think one today in which I consider innovation is Kinect, no one else offers anything like it especially at that price point and before anyone start to claim how buggy it is these people found it for something other then gaming and it helps a lot of people.

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    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250 GB mSATA
    Internet Speed
    60 Mbps cable, NETGEAR Night Hawk AC1900
    Browser
    Firefox 38.0.5
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender & Malwarebytes Pro
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    64-bit Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Custom self built
    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K OC'd to 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600 MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZR)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 x Samsung Odyssey G7 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2,
    4TB Samsung 990 PRO PRO M.2,
    8TB WD MyCloudEX2Ultra NAS
    PSU
    OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless K800
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1 Gb/s Download and 35 Mb/s Upload
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Premium
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system,
    Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam,
    HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn,
    APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI,
    Galaxy S23 Plus phone
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