The PC may be dying, but tablet growth is slowing as ...

The PC could never die.


because tablet dont have the ability to do resource intensive task.
compiling,programing,game dev, photoshoping,video conversion, dj music/mixing recording.
audiophiles arent going to listen to music on tablets with there $300 headphones.
lan gaming is freaking big.

but tablets are good for traveling,commuting, basically any place that a laptop couldn't go or don't have a room for.

I use mine to listen to casual music and some web browsing, set my dvr. but when I really want to jam, I go to my desktop.

but another problem is more and more people going to the webs to build there own desktops or paying a friend to do it for them. which in turn is effecting hp, dell and other oems sells.

and then operating system piracy doesnt help sales and numbers.

dskiller said:

The PC could never die.


because tablet dont have the ability to do resource intensive task.
compiling,programing,game dev, photoshoping,video conversion, dj music/mixing recording.
audiophiles arent going to listen to music on tablets with there $300 headphones.
lan gaming is freaking big.

but tablets are good for traveling,commuting, basically any place that a laptop couldn't go or don't have a room for.

I use mine to listen to casual music and some web browsing, set my dvr. but when I really want to jam, I go to my desktop.

but another problem is more and more people going to the webs to build there own desktops or paying a friend to do it for them. which in turn is effecting hp, dell and other oems sells.

and then operating system piracy doesnt help sales and numbers.

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Hi there
Listening to FLAC (uncompressed) music on smart phones with 300 USD (or more -- Bose noise cancelling phones for example) is perfectly good these days -- with 64 GB micro SD cards you can store a lot of music on a phone and the quality of the DAC's (Digital to Analog converters) in high end smart phones beats most sound cards on computers or tablets anyway.

While the whole experience isn't say as great as listening at home to high quality music on sophisticated high end music gear with Studio reference speakers it's more than good enough for 99.999% of the time even for the most critical of audiophiles.

Tablets for me were never an option -- there's really NOTHING a tablet can't do that a smart phone can't either -- and a smart phone is a lot more useful. Phones like Samsung S4/S5 have decent screen sizes without looking ridiculous like those "phablets" and are perfectly good for music or even video when travelling.

Laptops won't go away -- it's just that there are alternatives these days which make far better sense in a lot of situations.

Laptop / desktop computers still are KING for CREATIVE stuff (like your "Jam" sessions). Tablets are for consumption - which can easily be done with a decent smart phone these days.

Cheers
jimbo

The PC will die the day tablets are offered with two 32"monitors to do actual work.
For actual users tablets complement a stationary PC.

Well, people are finding out that tablets are not so easy for doing real work.

But the idea of running a tablet like a desktop is not so far fetched. I will attach my 10" Asus Transformer to a 19" flatscreen TV that I have sitting in the basement and run it with a bluetooth mouse and bluetooth keyboard. And I have a 32GB MicroSD card for data plus a 60GB external SSD to offload more data and for the images.

I wish though that the charger would not block the micro USB port - a seperate charging port would be welcome. But fortunately the battery life is more than 10 hours.

jimbo45 said:

Hi there
Listening to FLAC (uncompressed) music on smart phones with 300 USD (or more -- Bose noise cancelling phones for example) is perfectly good these days -- with 64 GB micro SD cards you can store a lot of music on a phone and the quality of the DAC's (Digital to Analog converters) in high end smart phones beats most sound cards on computers or tablets anyway.

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haha no way I would even begin to contemplate plugging in my AKG K701 headphones into any smart phone or similar. Putting the volume on ten for one of those would literally be like putting the volume at .2-.3 of 10 from my amp.

The headphones are designed for studio use at 62 ohms, which is on the low side, but they still need to be driven by massive power (for headphones) to sound well (for me, a progressive metal/hard rock dude.)

I would never contemplate switching out my spec machine + Motu Traveler + 1970s Power Amp home studio for any mobile device.

There's a time and place for everything I suppose. I don't doubt that smart phones sound well with like a $40 pair of headphones or something.

No, people aren't realizing you can't use a tablet for work.

It's more like, people aren't upgrading 500+ dollar tablets every year just because. People don't upgrade their desktops every year nor buy a new one every year. People don't buy a new laptop every year as if they have the money to throw around.

These sales figures and expectations by analysts are so stupid. "Windows tablets aren't selling because they aren't ipads! android tablets aren't selling because they aren't ipads and can't do things that Windows can! ipads aren't selling because they can't be used for work!" Do they REALLY think people have the money to throw at new hardware every year for poops and giggles? I just built a new system for gaming and mining and a lots of system intensive tasks, I'm not going to freaking spend upwards of $1,200 again next year just because DDR4 RAM will be out. No, that's idiotic.

If it works and works fine, people will keep it as long as they want until it breaks, gets too lethargic to use, or what have you. It's not because they're not wow'd so much at features, or design, or functions; they get wow'd at the price. "Five hundred for an ipad? I'd rather buy a laptop."

Five hundred for an ipad? I'd rather buy a laptop

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Absolutely right. All these mobiles are overpriced considering what you can do with them. And the Windows tablets have the added disadvantage that they are neither fish nor fowl. For real desktop work they are not really convenient and as mobiles they have insufficient functions and programs (e.g. no GPS). A $200 Nexus 7 can do more. I know because I have both.

Computers,(pc's) have reached a point where:

a: Most people already have at least one(we have 3), and
b: The powers of most pc's today mean that they simply do not need to be replaced all that often, for the average.

This does NOT translate into a dying market. I'm sorry, but the idea that pc's are dying is utter nonsense.... in my ever so humble opinion, of course...

whs said:

Five hundred for an ipad? I'd rather buy a laptop

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Absolutely right. All these mobiles are overpriced considering what you can do with them. And the Windows tablets have the added disadvantage that they are neither fish nor fowl. For real desktop work they are not really convenient and as mobiles they have insufficient functions and programs (e.g. no GPS). A $200 Nexus 7 can do more. I know because I have both.

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The reason I guess why 8 inch Windows tablets are becoming really popular at the moment is that 300 dollar price threshold. It's a FULL blooded Intel based system and a fully capable PC. It's that one thing that makes or breaks the deal. The Surface Pro for example, that's pretty pricy. A Dell Venue Pro for 300 for two inches smaller and even with a keyboard? About $350 on sale at the moment. A two in one laptop-tablet? Roughly 6-700 dollars.

To me, if you add external peripherals such as external GPS and hot swap hard drive enclosures along with the mouse, keyboard and monitor(s), hook that up to a tablet PC and you have a device that can act as three form factors: desktop (to an extent), laptop (if with added keyboard) and of course tablet.

Sure you can run a windows 8.1 tablet as desktop. I got the Asus Transformer for the wife. She wanted a small thing for travel and she only uses very simple applications.

Her laptop in Germany died and if I cannot get it repaired (probably the mobo), I will hook the Transformer to a 19" TV that I have in the basement. We already have a Motorola Bluetooth Keyboard with trackpad and a bluetooth HP mouse. Then she should be all set.

The quad Atom CPU is amazingly fast and for storage we use a 32GB MicroSD card plus an external SSD in a USB3 enclosure that I had also been lying around. That is a fast combo on the Transformer's USB3 port. We use it mainly for images.

Why pc is dying? PC is home appliance like TV, fridge and washing machine. Never die

I have attached a miniHDMI cable running from my Windows RT to a 21" HDMI capable monitor and with a bluetooth
mouse and Microsoft Wedge bluetooth keyboard, looks just like my Windows 8 Pro I-5 deskop PC.

I even can create a full college level report in Office on the tablet like this. Easy Peasy.

Sure, I can't do CAD work but then I never do CAD work. LOL.

whs said:

Sure you can run a windows 8.1 tablet as desktop. I got the Asus Transformer for the wife. She wanted a small thing for travel and she only uses very simple applications.

Her laptop in Germany died and if I cannot get it repaired (probably the mobo), I will hook the Transformer to a 19" TV that I have in the basement. We already have a Motorola Bluetooth Keyboard with trackpad and a bluetooth HP mouse. Then she should be all set.

The quad Atom CPU is amazingly fast and for storage we use a 32GB MicroSD card plus an external SSD in a USB3 enclosure that I had also been lying around. That is a fast combo on the Transformer's USB3 port. We use it mainly for images.

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Could you have done all that with an ipad or android tablet?

orlandotek said:

Sure, I can't do CAD work but then I never do CAD work. LOL.

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If you needed to, use TeamViewer or something similar to remotely connect to your main workstation that has CAD software.

Now you can do CAD work on your ARM based tablet.

Coke Robot said:

whs said:

Sure you can run a windows 8.1 tablet as desktop. I got the Asus Transformer for the wife. She wanted a small thing for travel and she only uses very simple applications.

Her laptop in Germany died and if I cannot get it repaired (probably the mobo), I will hook the Transformer to a 19" TV that I have in the basement. We already have a Motorola Bluetooth Keyboard with trackpad and a bluetooth HP mouse. Then she should be all set.

The quad Atom CPU is amazingly fast and for storage we use a 32GB MicroSD card plus an external SSD in a USB3 enclosure that I had also been lying around. That is a fast combo on the Transformer's USB3 port. We use it mainly for images.

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Could you have done all that with an ipad or android tablet?

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I know nothing about iPad, but I do have an Android Nexus 7 tablet with which I could do the same setup. It has an HDMI port, my Bluetooth keyboard and mouse work on it and with the OTG cable I can attach external devices.

But I never thought of doing that because that tablet is setup for on the go. I use it for navigation, trip planning, free phone calls (even from Europe to the US), webradio and web TV, an occasional check of my mail plus a lot of fun applications that are of the 'consumption' type or at best simple things like the wife plays Sudoku on it. E.g. when I am bored, I listen to the airport traffic control at airports around the world.

I do have a complete office package which I bought from the Playstore for $6 - I was just curious what that is - it is pretty good. But a tablet does not lend itself to that kind of work. Maybe drafting a letter is OK, but an Excel type application I would not venture to make.

whs said:

Coke Robot said:

whs said:

Sure you can run a windows 8.1 tablet as desktop. I got the Asus Transformer for the wife. She wanted a small thing for travel and she only uses very simple applications.

Her laptop in Germany died and if I cannot get it repaired (probably the mobo), I will hook the Transformer to a 19" TV that I have in the basement. We already have a Motorola Bluetooth Keyboard with trackpad and a bluetooth HP mouse. Then she should be all set.

The quad Atom CPU is amazingly fast and for storage we use a 32GB MicroSD card plus an external SSD in a USB3 enclosure that I had also been lying around. That is a fast combo on the Transformer's USB3 port. We use it mainly for images.

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Could you have done all that with an ipad or android tablet?

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I know nothing about iPad, but I do have an Android Nexus 7 tablet with which I could do the same setup. It has an HDMI port, my Bluetooth keyboard and mouse work on it and with the OTG cable I can attach external devices.

But I never thought of doing that because that tablet is setup for on the go. I use it for navigation, trip planning, free phone calls (even from Europe to the US), webradio and web TV, an occasional check of my mail plus a lot of fun applications that are of the 'consumption' type or at best simple things like the wife plays Sudoku on it. E.g. when I am bored, I listen to the airport traffic control at airports around the world.

I do have a complete office package which I bought from the Playstore for $6 - I was just curious what that is - it is pretty good. But a tablet does not lend itself to that kind of work. Maybe drafting a letter is OK, but an Excel type application I would not venture to make.

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That's what I figured, with certain android tablets that can be done.

Not that I would do that....