I think the biggest mistake MS made with 8 was to develop a cross platform OS. Sorry but this recipe means only one thing: COMPROMISE. This is the same philosophy car manufacturers used when they started flooding the market with SUVs. SUVs are a compromise. Yes most people today don't care and only want to use their computer for social media and e-mails. But why leave the rest of us stranded with an OS that basically has a "Hide and seek" based UI. Was it not bad enough we had to put up with the unfriendly RIBBON interface only to have to put up with an unfriendly for Desktops OS?
Just my two cents.
No, all these people want tablet interfaces on their tablets and destop interfaces on their desktops. Outrageous, I know.
I'm getting totally amazed here -- we presumably are more technical than the average joe out there or have more interest in computers, operating systems and probably "Boys Toys" in general - but there seems to be an incredible resistance to ANY sort of change here -- a love for "Dinosaur Technology" or a total resistance to anything NEW.
First the Desktop - while it will certainly NOT DIE will shrink to a much smaller level as even the most dedicated die hard desktop user will know there are many many ways of accessing the Internet now - WITHOUT needing a "Classical computer" so it's inevitable that the classic Windows or even Apple IOS type OS's will play a smaller part in the overall mix going forward.
Secondly - the total resistance I'm seeing here to anything remotely "Touch - centric" -- yes of course on your expensive 62 inch 4K 8,000 USD screen you'd SHOOT on sight anybody who even THOUGHT of touching it - yet there are some sensible touch applications which are well worth using - especially if you combine something like a tablet / or "convertible laptop with a second screen.
I think some of the people here should perhaps take a lesson from one of the old 1960's Bob Dylan songs -- "The Times they are a-changin'". True then true now.
Ms - a bit late to the party - is trying to do the same -- OK it messed up Windows 8, Windows 8.1 is infinitely better and hopefully windows 9 will be better still --especially as android looks set to become PAY ONLY or be riddled with commercials.
Windows 8 is just horribly designed, plain and simple, and by extension Windows 8.1 since it's basically another iteration of the same broken concept. Get over it.
Just because you and some others call it a phone or tablet interface doesn't mean that it is. No, it's called the Modern Interface designed to be used across multiple devices in conjunction with WP8. That's the goal. In no way does the "plethora of touch-oriented features" get in the way of using mouse and/or keyboard on a desktop PC. One presses on a tile/live tile or hits Enter just the same as an icon on the taskbar or desktop to get the same results. In fact it is easier to navigate using the keyboard on the Start Screen than with the mouse IMO. The live tile is an advanced technology of the icon in that it relays information instead of just sitting there glaring. That makes the Start Screen system far more advanced than the soley Desktop/Start Menu system. All this performed with far less resources.
Microsoft tried to appease the "Desktopper" in 8.1 by adding option to boot to it. There are some members here that abhored W8, but seem to get along just fine with 8.1. One doesn't have to see the Start Screen at all if one doesn't want. Configure to use All Apps instead. Uninstall all the Store apps. The only one that can't be uninstalled is the Store app, but can be unpinned. One can achieve a totally bare Start Screen. There's also 3rd party software to make items disappear, include the Start Button & Menu, and make it whatever you want.
I'm thinking all of MS employees from top to bottom could fart roses and it still wouldn't be good enough for some people. I think you should get over it. You come on here pretty much anonymously, for there's not much in your profile, with W7 in your system specs complaining about an OSs that I don't even think you own or learned to use fully with any real length of time. Don't get me wrong > You have every right to do so, but certainly now without my respect. And no, I'm not that self-centered to think you need my respect.
I really do hope you find your niche. Have a good day.
I agree 100% with HippsieGypsie's post.
W8 though was indeed HORRIBLE it didn't address desktop users properly and the new interface was a total MESS - For classical desktop users the change was TOO horrible and it was inconvenient to set it up properly.
Windows 8.1 has addressed the main problems so with a MINIMAL bit of fiddling you can get the desktop functionality just like you had with the earlier (pre W8) versions of Windows while adding a new interface for newer devices.
The whole Start menu idea is in any case relatively redundant - even from W7 a lot of people rarely used it so Ms just went to the next logical step. If it really IS a step too far time will tell but on the whole most people I've shown W8.1 to like it whereas they hated W8.