8.1 Evaluation from Windows Secrets Newsletter

Nice find....a very good read. Thanks.
 

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Hi there
Again these articles seem to over concentrate on the stupid MENU (or lack of it) -- If you boot straight to desktop and have your most used apps pinned to desktop (do this by opening File location and then send to desktop) or to the task bar then the menu is essentially an irrelevance -- and in any case you can get a much better menu by creating a custom toolbar rather than that huge windows 7 menu expanse - the toolbar creates an XP like menu which is far better on large screens anyway.

Booting straight to desktop, disabling the charms feature and the applications list (2nd "start screen") and the far better search are worthwhile in themselves for desktop users.

Even in W7 I hardly ever bothered with the menu.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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I don't have to go to the customize mode to move or uninstall an app? All Customize does on my system is let me name the groups or move them.
 

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Hi there
Again these articles seem to over concentrate on the stupid MENU (or lack of it) -- If you boot straight to desktop and have your most used apps pinned to desktop (do this by opening File location and then send to desktop) or to the task bar then the menu is essentially an irrelevance -- and in any case you can get a much better menu by creating a custom toolbar rather than that huge windows 7 menu expanse - the toolbar creates an XP like menu which is far better on large screens anyway.

Booting straight to desktop, disabling the charms feature and the applications list (2nd "start screen") and the far better search are worthwhile in themselves for desktop users.

Even in W7 I hardly ever bothered with the menu.

Cheers
jimbo

I'm glad to see you're attempting to drive these points home as I've seen in some of your other posts from time to time. MS has attempted to satisfy the "Desktoppers" with option to boot up to it, configure to use All Apps instead of Start Screen, and disable the hot corners. To me these are significant changes to make it "feel" and perform like past "desktop orientated" OSs, but yet they continue to get the flack for it as we see here in another article.

You've also been posting/teaching about alternative menus to replace the Start Menu, which IMO makes sense. According to MS data, I, like you and many others, never used it only to use alternative menus and/or plaster shortcuts on the Taskbar. When that got to be looking too big, messy, and unmanageable users placed them all over the Desktop. How many Desktops have we seen this way? I don't know about anyone else, but I've seen a lot of them on many a machine.

It even got to the point where I was plastering Favorites shortcuts. I figured why should I waste a time to open a menu to open a browser, or simply open by other means, then look for the site page I wanted, when all I had to do was press one icon and poof! I was there! Lol! It got to be where there were so many icons it was difficult to see the background. :D

I don't mean to sound crude, but I think when people get over the fact that the Start Menu is gone for good will they make progress to look for and use alternatives. Personally I like the Start Menu/All Apps as it is by default for personal reasons, which would only be opinion and not based on fact when it comes to efficiency of use and aesthetics. The fact remains that less and less users were using the Start Menu, so therefore MS changed it. Did they use it to their advantage for a touch-centric launching platform? You betcha'. Does it work well with mouse and/or keyboard? I think it does, but that, again, would be my opinion. I have yet to see results on efficiency studies of this. Perhaps someone will point me in that direction. Until then, it is only based on opinion.

http://www.eightforums.com/windows-8-news/2886-designing-start-screen.html which will lead to Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

We’d like to share a series of blog posts on the how and why of reimagining Start. This first post talks about the history and evolution of the Start menu, and several of the problems and trends we’ve learned from you. We think it’s always important to understand where we’ve come from before we talk about where we’re headed. We’ll then have another post that dives into how we crafted the new Start screen, and then we’ll see where the discussion leads us from there.
 

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Attempt to satisfy "desktoppers"....???

Oh, I don't think so. At best it is a rather sad attempt at sleight of hand on ms's part. It's still a spaghetti.(tifkam) The only ones fooled are those who really really wanna be fooled. The rest of us are not fooled, not in the least.
 

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I don't have to go to the customize mode to move or uninstall an app? All Customize does on my system is let me name the groups or move them.

I think what he means is that if one right clicks on a tile, the screen goes to a darker shade, the tiles zoom back slightly, and the column titles appear for changing, which is the full customize mode? If left click and hold to move a tile, it goes into a semi-custom mode where only the tiles zoom back slightly to return back when released? Does that make sense?
 

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Attempt to satisfy "desktoppers"....???

Oh, I don't think so. At best it is a rather sad attempt at sleight of hand on ms's part. It's still a spaghetti.(tifkam) The only ones fooled are those who really really wanna be fooled. The rest of us are not fooled, not in the least.

Everyone has their opinion. I have mine. You have yours. Others have theirs. Again, your "fooled" approach of insight and/or conviction is only an opinion so far as I'm concerned.

Bottom line is that I'm not here to argue. Have a good day. :)
 

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Huh?

Again these articles seem to over concentrate on the stupid MENU (or lack of it)

Out of ~ 45 paragraphs:
  • ~3 paragraphs were about the fake Start Menu button.
  • ~11 paragraphs were about the Metro Screen.
  • ~5 paragraphs were about how to:
    • Boot to the desktop
    • Eliminate the Charms bar and
    • Eliminate the Thumbnails bar
  • ~6 paragraphs were about the data mining search feature.
  • ~10 paragraphs were about the Libraries.
 

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Attempt to satisfy "desktoppers"....???

Oh, I don't think so. At best it is a rather sad attempt at sleight of hand on ms's part. It's still a spaghetti.(tifkam) The only ones fooled are those who really really wanna be fooled. The rest of us are not fooled, not in the least.

Everyone has their opinion. I have mine. You have yours. Others have theirs. Again, your "fooled" approach of insight and/or conviction is only an opinion so far as I'm concerned.

Bottom line is that I'm not here to argue. Have a good day. :)

You're right, of course, it is only an opinion, what more could you expect from an opinionated s.o.b. like me....:cool:

(at least until they name me ruler of the universe, that is... at which point I shall do away with tifkam all together, and restore order to the universe...)
 

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I don't have to go to the customize mode to move or uninstall an app? All Customize does on my system is let me name the groups or move them.

I think what he means is that if one right clicks on a tile, the screen goes to a darker shade, the tiles zoom back slightly, and the column titles appear for changing, which is the full customize mode? If left click and hold to move a tile, it goes into a semi-custom mode where only the tiles zoom back slightly to return back when released? Does that make sense?

From the linked page:

Tile control:
In Windows 8, it’s much too easy to mess up the Start screen. For example, you can accidentally move a tile by tapping it the wrong way. Or you can bring up the tile-delete screen by simply wiping downward. In Win8.1, you have to go into a special Customize mode (see Figure 1) before you're allowed to move or delete tiles — which is good.

^ wasn't the case for me?
 

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where Windows will go next even Microsoft might not know at this point

They have a good idea where they would like to take the users.

Maybe they have made enough superficial changes with 8.1 to stop repelling potential buyers. Or maybe the potential buyers will see through it.Time will tell.
 

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Attempt to satisfy "desktoppers"....???

Oh, I don't think so. At best it is a rather sad attempt at sleight of hand on ms's part. It's still a spaghetti.(tifkam) The only ones fooled are those who really really wanna be fooled. The rest of us are not fooled, not in the least.

:ditto:
 

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Hi there
Again these articles seem to over concentrate on the stupid MENU (or lack of it) -- If you boot straight to desktop and have your most used apps pinned to desktop (do this by opening File location and then send to desktop) or to the task bar then the menu is essentially an irrelevance -- and in any case you can get a much better menu by creating a custom toolbar rather than that huge windows 7 menu expanse - the toolbar creates an XP like menu which is far better on large screens anyway.

Booting straight to desktop, disabling the charms feature and the applications list (2nd "start screen") and the far better search are worthwhile in themselves for desktop users.

Even in W7 I hardly ever bothered with the menu.

Cheers
jimbo

I go one step further, Jim. Until I can get Windows 8.1 upgrade up and running, I just install the Quick Launch Bar and I'm done with it. Instructions are in the Tutorials. I keep the files and apps I use most frequently there and just click when I need to open something.

Much easier than any of the new menus.
 

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I just set up a win 8 laptop for a friend and I wish I could say this was a unique experience. I set him loose with the start screen. I gave him shortcuts on his task bar and on his desktop to all his stuff. Let him run on his own for two weeks. He called me for advice numerous times, and I helped him out. Finally, on the 3rd call two weeks in, I connected remotely and installed classic shell. He immediately breathed a huge sigh of relief and commented later how much better it was.

Microsoft was beyond stupid forcing this new GUI on everyone, including their desktop users. It has been over a year, and I still have yet to communicate with anyone outside of these forums who likes the start screen over the old menu. The menu was faster, more concise, easier to use and did not require you to leave your work entirely to access it. There is nothing intuitive about the new GUI.. Forcing people to google how to shut down there computer on day one=a bunch of moronic designers. Enough said....
 

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I'm sorry, that's just ridiculous. Anyone that needs even 1 phone call after being given a basic overview for anything that classic shell can "fix" either wasn't listening or has severe mental problems.

They only need to know two things. 1) Press the power button to shut down (just like every other electrical device they have ever used in their entire life). 2) Press the Windows key and start typing the first few letters of the program they want to use.

If you told them those two things, which are all they need to know, you shouldn't have received any calls from them about it. I can see how you might get calls about other things, but those would not be solved by classic shell.

Beyond that, they can certainly explore and poke around.. but if they want to just use the computer they only need to know those two things. Even better, you could have simply pinned the shortcuts to the apps they use on the taskbar. Then they would never need to go to the start screen.

I get that some people don't like the start screen, but there's a difference between not liking it and not being able to understand it. To just launch programs, it requires very little understanding.
 

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I gave him that info.. It is still better with a logical, well thought out, and yes Familiar menu. People have been cautioned all along up to know away from shutting down their pc using the power button. Up to now, it has been a last resort. You and I both know that a single press will do the same as a shutdown. But no restart and logoff option come up that way. You act like this should be just basic stuff, but you miss the point that it is very different than what most people have been doing for 15 years and in no way is it better. Sorry friend. I am unfortunately in the majority on this one. Your opinion is not widely held and you should know it.
 

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How do you access the file structure using just the start screen. This to has been a problem for a few people I met. They could not figure out how to put a shortcut to my computer etc on the desktop. It sure ain't that easy to figure out using the start screen. Just saying that none of your arguments hold water or in any way justify this change. I have been running vanilla windows 8 and now 8.1 since launch, and I still don't like it. I know how to use it, but I still think they were stupid for forcing this change. Every poll I have ever looked at would seem to indicate that the world agrees with me...
 

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How do you access the file structure using just the start screen. This to has been a problem for a few people I met. They could not figure out how to put a shortcut to my computer etc on the desktop. It sure ain't that easy to figure out using the start screen. Just saying that none of your arguments hold water or in any way justify this change. I have been running vanilla windows 8 and now 8.1 since launch, and I still don't like it. I know how to use it, but I still think they were stupid for forcing this change. Every poll I have ever looked at would seem to indicate that the world agrees with me...

I agree with you also.
 

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How do you access the file structure using just the start screen. This to has been a problem for a few people I met. They could not figure out how to put a shortcut to my computer etc on the desktop. It sure ain't that easy to figure out using the start screen. Just saying that none of your arguments hold water or in any way justify this change. I have been running vanilla windows 8 and now 8.1 since launch, and I still don't like it. I know how to use it, but I still think they were stupid for forcing this change. Every poll I have ever looked at would seem to indicate that the world agrees with me...

You could use this below, but it's still not the same or as easy than using File Explorer.


http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/29449-skydrive-app-browse-skydrive-pc-windows-8-1-a.html
 

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