Pardon me for saying something that may put me in the same category, but it seems to me that this thread has degenerated into what I'd call a "schoolyard bully" contest. i.e. "I can be a bigger bully than you can and leave my opponents lying bleeding in the grass better than you can."
I don't know why I keep coming back to read this particular thread when I get a notification . . . I guess I keep hoping to actually get Windows 8 information, but it's become too hard to find between all the other stuff. . .
BTW, spirited is one thing, but outright insults are another. And not backing down from an argument for the sake of not backing down is another.
I believe we're all here for the same thing; either to give or get information. I'd just like to see us get back on track.
Debate is a good thing; argument for the sake of argument is not.
And here.. you are missing the point entirely, which is not surprising because there seems to be an infection of this running around these boards. I should not have to install a 3rd party app to do this. Plane and simple. The choice should have been there all along. The start screen is just no better than the start menu on a desktop PC. If you took a poll of 100 users, you will never hear otherwise unless your poll is taken in Redmond WA. Have you looked at the all apps menu lately. It is hard to find anything on it. The fact that folks think it is better, and are honest about it, blows me away. And before people get busy telling me all the little workarounds available such as just typing what you want, pinning to desktop etc.. please know, that these are not valuable solutions, nor are they anything new. They were there before as an option as well.. but for those of us who want to click on the start menu and find our way to our app with the mouse, this is hands down harder with the start screen.. And all your suggestions are just workarounds..
I work in IT. I provide workarounds all day long. They are just that.. workarounds... temp fixes until a permanent solution can be found. We don't have one of those here. I am going to bow out of this convo from here. Talks like this are better had in person, but the problem is, I still cannot find anyone to talk with face to face who actually likes the new Start screen. No one. And it has been over a year. I manage 45 other engineers. No one..!!
So.. for those of you in the minority, who actually like the start screen.. Good for you!! Quit trying to convince the rest of us, many of whom have been using it for quite a while now, of how much better it is. Personally, I would have welcomed an OS that had both the start button which lead to menu, and the ability to move the mouse all the way into the corner to access the start screen. Then you have the best of both worlds.. But now I am just ranting..
Is it? Here's a screenshot of mine: -Originally Posted by musiclover7
I have no difficulty finding anything I want. Why would I? The All Apps screen is an always-expanded Start menu, but the fact that it's always-expanded means I can see everything and open anything with 1 click - it's faster for me. If you're digging through nested folders in the Start menu looking for what you want, don't tell me that your way is just as fast - it's not. That just leaves you with the "it takes attention away!" argument, but we've already covered that.
At the end of the day though, if you're not happy with Windows 8, yet you're not going to install a piece of software that will solve your biggest gripe (and there are several choices), you only have yourself to blame. Personally, if I have a problem and I know there's a solution, I use it, rather than not using it and then moaning for over a year that my problem should be solvable a different way, but that's just me.
Microsoft can do whatever they want. It's their product. They own the copyright. It's their intellectual property. So saying "I shouldn't have to..." is really missing the point. And the point is, if you want Windows to be something other than what it is, then yes.. you *DO* have to...
I find that users tend to take on the opinions of the technical people that help them. When I show users how easy it is to use Windows 8, they love it. They think it's logical, because i'm not constantly telling them how bad it is, and I show them all the nice features that help them in their day to day life. When you show people how easy it is to find things in the Start menu when you don't have a pre-conceived bad opinion of it, people learn really quickly how to use it and get on with their lives.
For what it's worth, Vista suffered from the exact same problem. Well, it had two problems. The first, was that Microsoft had bowed to Intel and hardware vendors to allow Vista to be shipped on machines that were too low spec for it. The second was that technical people kept bad mouthing it to users before they'd even used it, so that by time they did they already had a negative opinion. By SP1 the few real problems that Vista had were gone, yet people clung to the negative stereotype. Microsoft proved this by simply changing the theme and telling people it was a new version of Windows, and everyone loved it. It was called the Windows Mojave Experment. look it up.
The start page has real, provable benefits over the start menu for a lot of people. So claiming that the start menu is better is just personal preference. I'm not saying the start screen is perfect by any shape of the imagination. It's not, but it solves problems with the start menu.
Of the 25 remaining, 15 will be vehemently against it, and make up the same excuses you do. 10 will give it a fair shot, and 8 will probably find they like it much more. 2 will probably want to go back because they just can't change their ways, even though they tried.
You're resentful that you have to do things differently with Windows 8, and you waste no opportunity to tell others about that. I get it. We all get it. The question is, why do you keep doing it? You have to know it won't change anything.
I'll post what I think via pictures (some of this may have been implemented previously:
Spelling words wrong doesn't matter - corrected
This one is a little strange, not sure I like this screen. After clicking the option you want from Searching, you may be brought here. It seems to give more internet searches than I need, and not as many local options that I might like. This is a redundant screen in my mind
This one is cool (might have trouble reading clearly). I can open tabs on IEapp from links in another app (say, view updates), and nothing closes. They both sit neatly, side-by-side, in the new half-screen view, and all links appear right there, and you can open a lot of them at once without constant switching.
I didn't like this one. When I switched to the desktop and came back to the previously mentioned screen, it got jumbled. Was hard to understand where to go from here, but I'm sure I'll learn in time. It was not as easy as selecting one of the three, they just kind of moved around.
Overall, I rate it an 8.5/10