My apology for the delay > Busy week > Finally found some time to catch up on this.
Here is one with the Store app snapped (The Store is an app):
No, the Desktop isn't going anywhere sometime soon. I'm thinking it won't be included in 9. W7's extended support end date of 1/14/2020. 8 with the Desktop will be supported until 1/10/2023. I don't think the date of 8.1 has been released, but it should be around the end of 2024 or 2025. If they include the Desktop in the next one, which, like I stated earlier that I don't think it will be, that'll take it into the mid-to-late 20's. Uncertain, but we know at least the desktop will be supported until basically the end of 2024. That's roughly 10-1/2 years. If it's included with the next one, it'll be roughly 13 to 14 years. 10-1/2 years is more than enough time for everyone, including enterprise, to make the change.
Microsoft Product Lifecycle Search
Microsoft Product Lifecycle Search
If anything, we Windows users have been spoiled (for lack of a better word). Personally one of the problems I see is that MS has spoiled us with many desktop applications that are bundled with their past OSs. Notepad, Wordpad, WLM, desktop IE, Media Center, Calculator, and the likes. With the threat of the desktop being eliminated, so will these be eliminated, although some of these are replaced by their Modern/Metro Store apps > Apps that didn't make a very good first impression, especially in 8, because of lack of quality of stability and/or usefulness. I think with time and updates they are coming along quite nicely.
iOS is a mobile phone and tablet OS only. It's been a walled garden from day 1. With OS X, you can install software from any source and that's a more comparable operating system to Windows. If Windows become closed so that you could only run apps from the Windows Store, while OS X remained open, I would switch to OS X in a heartbeat and the number of people doing the same would be huge.
Chrome OS is really just a web browser and isn't comparable to Windows. As for Android, you can install apps from any source, so that is more like Windows in that respect. While you can use the Google Play store, you can download an APK file from literally anywhere and Google is fine with that because you don't have to jailbreak/hack Android devices to be able to do it.
For now. Infected apps have been found in the Google Play store on a number of occasions. The Windows Store is not a worthwhile thing for hackers to focus on right now though.While hackers are putting bullet holes through and viruses infecting the Desktop platform via browsers, we can all safely use the Store and apps instead.
I'd rather we tackle that issue than say "all you can have from now on are whitelisted apps from this one store". Java has been the biggest attack vector for hackers in the last few years. Basically, we need to do away with plug-ins. We need to make sure that the browser runs in a sand-boxed environment.Once we open a browser, we lay ourselves open to a lot of problems of the desktop system.
First, Most software developers would much rather have 70% of 1,000,000 sales than 100% of 1,000 sales. That's why even companies like Adobe and Corel are writing Windows Store apps. The Windows store gives them much more exposure, and it takes away the headache of doing their own payment processing (obviously, Adobe and Corel are big enough to do it themselves, but i'm referring to smaller shops). They'll also get more sales because people will Trust the Microsoft store more than they will some random site on the internet that says "trust me, I won't steal your credit card numbers". Remember, you have to pay a % of the sale to the payment processor as well, so it's not like you're not already losing a percentage anyways.
Second, for internal development, Microsoft has a process called "Side loading" that companies can use to load apps inside their organization, without having to use the store and pay any fee.
Apple - OS X Mountain Lion - Apps
the highlight of the read by the link reflects that the successor of the Win 8 has arrived with the more sturdy features which may prove user friendly .. let's see the responses
I'm saying what would happen if the desktop were to go away as a rebuttal to someone who said "oh, it would be fine if it disappeared". If you think that having one store owned by one company being the only way to buy software would be better than a free and open market, I'd say you're crazy.
I don't see how this is relevant, given that today, the Windows Store is just another way to sell software, rather than being the only way. Ask Adobe or Corel how they would feel if they were no longer allowed to sell software for Windows directly on their own websites and see what they say then.Originally Posted by Mystere
There's your piracy/malware enabler. "Hey, it's the security of white listed apps!.......... oh, but you can also side load apps from any source.....".Originally Posted by Mystere
Someone used OS X as an example of an OS that's a walled garden. It is NOT a walled garden. I know exactly what I'm talking about, thanks. OS X and iOS share some functionality, but there is no evidence that Apple are working towards a single OS for desktops, phones and tablets.Originally Posted by Mystere
Except you can download APKs from places other than the Play Store, which Google is perfectly fine with. You are NOT forced to download software from the Play Store only, therefore again, Android is NOT an example of a walled garden, which was my entire point. Just type "download APK" into Google and you'll find plenty of sites where you can directly download APKs. Sorry, but you'll have to get back to me when you know what you're talking about, which unfortunately is not today.Originally Posted by OS X
Walled garden: -
iOS (unless you Jailbreak, which lots of people do)
NOT a walled garden: -
Just because the above 3 operating systems all have stores of their own does not make them walled gardens.
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Our we talking about Windows or our we talking Mac OS 10. I ask this because this is the same argument that took place when Apple switched from the old OS 5,6,7,,8, and 9 system to OS 10. It took them three years to get OS 10 cleaned up to the point that Mac users were happy. Then in 2009 they went to the App Store format, and had Mac users in an uproar over that. Ten in 2010 they added launchpad to the OS (similar to Start Screen, another uproar. The reactions to these changes are what seem to be happening with Windows 8. People just don't like change when they are comfortable with they are used to regardless of what they are used to using. The Linux World had the same problems with the addition of Unity.
Hope this is readable, really having problems with my head today. Can't seem to remember where some o f the keys are on the Keyboard, and at times I loose by train of thought. (damn took me thirty minutes to write just a couple of sentences. whew, finally done (I think).
The Merger of Mac OS and iOS - The Real Secret of iOS 7, the iPhone 5s and the A7 Chip
There's even a bunch of articles by people arguing why apple isn't doing it "just yet", for example:
Apple unlikely to merge OS X and iOS just yet as WWDC looms - IT Analysis from V3.co.uk
It's clear that everyone in the industry believes that this is where Apple is going, it's just uncertain as to when. So your claim that there is "no evidence" is either show a lack of any awareness of the industry, or wishful thinking.
What makes you think this? You honestly think that if Adobe could no longer sell Creative Cloud subscriptions directly to consumers because they had to go through the Windows Store and therefore pay a percentage of their earnings to Microsoft, that they would welcome that?Originally Posted by Mystere
Is it? LOL. And I didn't ignore the Mac App store. It's irrelevant though because OS X is not a walled garden. You do know what a walled garden is, yeah?Originally Posted by Mystere
RT, which has been dropped by every manufacturer aside from Microsoft because nobody wants it. Yeah, that's the future alright!Originally Posted by Mystere
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