Where is Microsoft Heading with Windows 8?

"Unfortunately, not all devices will be able to handle Windows “legacy” programs, despite the desktop app. Any devices running on ARM architecture (as opposed to x86) will only be able to support Metro apps."

It seems Microsoft is getting lazy with programing.
 

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It seems Microsoft is getting lazy with programing.

Lazy or realistic? They're already biting off a fair bit - they still have to support it all. Adding another layer could potentially compromise quality in other areas.


It could be also be part of the 'The PC is Dead' masterplan we keep hearing about :rolleyes:
 

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It seems Microsoft is getting lazy with programing.
Lazy or realistic? They're already biting off a fair bit - they still have to support it all. Adding another layer could potentially compromise quality in other areas.

It could be also be part of the 'The PC is Dead' masterplan we keep hearing about :rolleyes:
I doubt it. It's working great on my PC. There is no "master plan."

The last thing MS wants to do is kill off the PC.
Promote the "cloud?" Perhaps.
But they're still gonna need the PC even if we all have tablets, smartphones and/or slates as well.
At least for the next five years anyway - maybe more.

Chiropractors are gonna make a lot of money fixing the knees jerking under desks regarding all of the disinfomation and supposition floating around about Win8 - I think I should change professions.
 

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I think the direction is pretty clear: They want to make money off the portable devices world. In addition it is obvious that the ARM processors will penetrate the PC market too. So they have to be prepared for that.

Touchscreens in the PC world will propably remain the exception. In fact you can see tablets comeing out with proper keyboards.
 

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"Unfortunately, not all devices will be able to handle Windows “legacy” programs, despite the desktop app. Any devices running on ARM architecture (as opposed to x86) will only be able to support Metro apps."

It seems Microsoft is getting lazy with programing.

Wasn't this debunked a few months back? My understanding was that someone at Intel said this, and MS said it was bullcrap.
 

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It seems Microsoft is getting lazy with programing.

Lazy or realistic? They're already biting off a fair bit - they still have to support it all. Adding another layer could potentially compromise quality in other areas.


It could be also be part of the 'The PC is Dead' masterplan we keep hearing about :rolleyes:

"Compromise Quality" that’s what I am saying! Have a quality OS would mean that they should be able to emulate pc architecture on an ARM chip. Wait there is another OS maker that does that... let me think... I think they are called Apple. That’s right. They allowed Power PC chip programs to run on Intel chips and the user never knew the difference. Please do not try to justify being lazy for Microsoft.
 

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For a bit I thought that during the D9? conference when Microsoft first unveiled 8, they had a touch screen running Office 2010. Then I realized that it was connected to a desktop....

It's not lazy programming, it's more a significant architecture change up for Windows. 32 bit programs can't run on ARM, they just can't. It's like trying to get a printer that only works in 64 bit Windows working on a 32 bit version. It just won't happen. And coding in a buffer layer to make it work is simply unrealistic.
 

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It's not lazy programming, it's more a significant architecture change up for Windows.
And isn't it this kind of change up that will keep them ahead of the competition? I mean, look at all the progress we've made towards a x64 only architecture... It wouldn't make much sense to stop now, would it?
 

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It's not lazy programming, it's more a significant architecture change up for Windows.
And isn't it this kind of change up that will keep them ahead of the competition? I mean, look at all the progress we've made towards a x64 only architecture... It wouldn't make much sense to stop now, would it?
No, but the benefits of running tablets on ARM processors are much greater than running them on 32 bit processors. They need to go, 32 bit processors. Oh gosh! more than 10 years of running systems on 32 bit!
 

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No, but the benefits of running tablets on ARM processors are much greater than running them on 32 bit processors. They need to go, 32 bit processors. Oh gosh! more than 10 years of running systems on 32 bit!
Well, okay, you got me there. Heh. I'd go so far as to say that most things run better on x64... tablets, phones, desktops, the whole lot. And yeah, anything that's been in use for more than 10 years needs a right smack up the backside.
 

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I think the direction is pretty clear: They want to make money off the portable devices world. In addition it is obvious that the ARM processors will penetrate the PC market too. So they have to be prepared for that.

Touchscreens in the PC world will propably remain the exception. In fact you can see tablets comeing out with proper keyboards.

What's the difference between a Tablet with a keyboard and a PC !!!!! -- possibly the only difference might be that a tablet doesn't have a lid. !!!!

A Mobile phone attached to a full size keyboard and a large external Monitor would also be "A PC" while it was being used like that.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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A tablet has a touchscreen by default and the keyboard is an accomodation. But you are right - pretty soon it will be difficult to draw the line between tablets and laptops.
 

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What will we call them laplet or tabtop?
 

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They will probably just figure under "portable devices".
 

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I think its a very good idea, one OS for all devices this has got to sound good for Microsoft It will be easier and cheaper to produce and support, for the user the advantages are also obvious. one OS to learn, and compatibility between a whole range of devices..
I think the problem will be how Joe public takes to Windows 8 and that explains why it is open to so many users so early, so that Microsoft has the time to use all that feedback and get it right.
I was very dubious the first time I used it but now that I am learning how to find my way around Windows 8 is growing on me :)
 

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Of course those of us who find metro a a hindrance to serious work can continue with win7 if MS/others do not provide/come up with a way to disable it.
 

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I think they would be stupid if they did, it needs to be flexible to cater to so many different people and devices
 

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I do not think the acceptance of Win8 on PCs will be much influenced by Metro or not Metro. In order to make people move, they will have to provide additional attractive functions. A Win7 plus Metro (or not) will not suffice - even if it boots a bit faster.

But maybe their main target are the ARM devices. Then we can relax and wait for Win9.
 

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