I expect GParted (or some other boot manager) to circumvent this before the release for those wanting to boot both.

This issue is still quite fuzzy. There're lots of if and buts such as whether it would be mandatory for win8 to secure boot to boot at all on the new EFI machines, whether secure boot can be disabled through a manufacturer provided means (such as a hardware switch in CR-48 notebooks), whether OEMs will provide users with the public key required to install non-MS stuff and such like.

Originally Posted by Bill2

This issue is still quite fuzzy. There're lots of if and buts such as whether it would be mandatory for win8 to secure boot to boot at all on the new EFI machines, whether secure boot can be disabled through a manufacturer provided means (such as a hardware switch in CR-48 notebooks), whether OEMs will provide users with the public key required to install non-MS stuff and such like.

I'm expecting they will indeed allow it to be deactivated simply so the end-user has choice and would cause them less headaches (also saving manufacturers money) but I also expect they will indeed attempt to go down this path at least once over the next decade.

One fact I have seen missed by everyone is how other 'secure' code has always been broken. E.g. BlueRay, PS3, iPhone, iPad, SSL, TLS, PGP... If you consider these much stronger and also consider the fact they have all been broken (some multiple times and reoccurring like the iPhone) it's no doubt someone will have a method to deactivate Secure Boot

Aegis

Originally Posted by Aegis

One fact I have seen missed by everyone is how other 'secure' code has always been broken. E.g. BlueRay, PS3, iPhone, iPad, SSL, TLS, PGP... If you consider these much stronger and also consider the fact they have all been broken (some multiple times and reoccurring like the iPhone) it's no doubt someone will have a method to deactivate Secure Boot

Aegis

True. But it still feels like one step forward 3 steps back. It feels a little Apple-ish tbh.

Originally Posted by SmartEyeball

But it still feels like one step forward 3 steps back. It feels a little Apple-ish tbh.

Exactly. The market really isn't about us geeks or current Win7 desktop users, it's about the future.

Y'all can dig in your heels screaming and carrying on as you get dragged down this path but, rest assured, it's coming whether you like it or not.

You can run Win8 with Ubuntu running in Oracle VirtualBox. There is nothing that M$ can do about that.

Linux (desktop, at least) is dead on its own, Microsoft doesn't have to block it. Why they waste their time on something like that is beyond me. It's a petty move.

-Max

It may be possible to cicumvent by some kind of hack.

It is also possible that some oem's might provide an unlock mechanism - possibly on their higher end machines.

Nevertheless, MS seem to want the majority of machines to be locked.

Nobody in their right minds could approve of that.

It restricts consumer choice.

It also smacks of desperation.