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Microsoft tries to block Linux off Windows 8 PCs

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    Microsoft tries to block Linux off Windows 8 PCs


    If this wasn’t so sad, it would be funny. After Microsoft recently declared victory over Linux, it turns out that Microsoft appears is still trying to arrange it so that Linux won’t even boot on the next generation of PCs that come with Windows 8. Yeah, Linux isn’t on your enemy list anymore right Microsoft? Sure.

    Matthew Garrett, a Red Hat engineer, gets the credit for spotting Microsoft’s latest anti-Linux move. In a blog posting, Garrett explains that Windows 8 logo guidelines require that systems have Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) secure boot enabled. This, in turn, would block Linux, or any other operating system, from booting on it.
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    Really sad
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    I expect GParted (or some other boot manager) to circumvent this before the release for those wanting to boot both.
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    This issue is still quite fuzzy. There're lots of if and buts such as whether it would be mandatory for win8 to secure boot to boot at all on the new EFI machines, whether secure boot can be disabled through a manufacturer provided means (such as a hardware switch in CR-48 notebooks), whether OEMs will provide users with the public key required to install non-MS stuff and such like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill2 View Post
    This issue is still quite fuzzy. There're lots of if and buts such as whether it would be mandatory for win8 to secure boot to boot at all on the new EFI machines, whether secure boot can be disabled through a manufacturer provided means (such as a hardware switch in CR-48 notebooks), whether OEMs will provide users with the public key required to install non-MS stuff and such like.
    I'm expecting they will indeed allow it to be deactivated simply so the end-user has choice and would cause them less headaches (also saving manufacturers money) but I also expect they will indeed attempt to go down this path at least once over the next decade.

    One fact I have seen missed by everyone is how other 'secure' code has always been broken. E.g. BlueRay, PS3, iPhone, iPad, SSL, TLS, PGP... If you consider these much stronger and also consider the fact they have all been broken (some multiple times and reoccurring like the iPhone) it's no doubt someone will have a method to deactivate Secure Boot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegis View Post

    One fact I have seen missed by everyone is how other 'secure' code has always been broken. E.g. BlueRay, PS3, iPhone, iPad, SSL, TLS, PGP... If you consider these much stronger and also consider the fact they have all been broken (some multiple times and reoccurring like the iPhone) it's no doubt someone will have a method to deactivate Secure Boot

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    True. But it still feels like one step forward 3 steps back. It feels a little Apple-ish tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartEyeball View Post
    But it still feels like one step forward 3 steps back. It feels a little Apple-ish tbh.
    Exactly. The market really isn't about us geeks or current Win7 desktop users, it's about the future.

    Y'all can dig in your heels screaming and carrying on as you get dragged down this path but, rest assured, it's coming whether you like it or not.
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    You can run Win8 with Ubuntu running in Oracle VirtualBox. There is nothing that M$ can do about that.
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    Linux (desktop, at least) is dead on its own, Microsoft doesn't have to block it. Why they waste their time on something like that is beyond me. It's a petty move.

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    It may be possible to cicumvent by some kind of hack.

    It is also possible that some oem's might provide an unlock mechanism - possibly on their higher end machines.

    Nevertheless, MS seem to want the majority of machines to be locked.

    Nobody in their right minds could approve of that.

    It restricts consumer choice.

    It also smacks of desperation.
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